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    Quote Originally Posted by becb0112 View Post
    I don’t think it makes your perspective anymore valid than anyone else’s.

    I personally think it’s too early to be giving these “freedoms” as there are so many people who want to get the vaccine who haven’t been able to yet, or have only just managed to get their first dose.

    But, you are choosing to not have this vaccine, so I think I it’s naive to think that there wouldn’t be repercussions of that choice.

    I admit that as outdoor transition is quite low that does seem a strange place to draw the line , but limiting things to vaccinated people is going to happen. It’s happening elsewhere already. I don’t wholeheartedly agree with it, I can see both points of view but comparing it to the Holocaust is just horrific.
    I said I had "a" valid perspective.

    The post I was referring to expressed concern at not being able to ensure that a group of people can be kept out of public parks and beaches. That's what's horrific.

    I merely, with extreme sarcasm, brainstormed some ideas about how that goal could be achieved.

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    Quote Originally Posted by babyno1onboard View Post
    I don’t want to quote your other post but have experienced similar. I have stopped telling people my experiences from living overseas as it often results in traumatising the listener. No need to spread the horror ������

    And my takeaway from it is the opposite to yours - Australia is amazing and I don’t fear things here.

    And both of our views are totally valid.
    It is traumatic. I've had a very 'colorful' life and have learned to keep quiet about it. No one knows outside of my earlier comment, and of course, those who were with me at the time.

    Don't get me wrong. I wouldn't want to be anywhere else in the world - I think we're lucky to be in this great country of ours. I've been stopped for random breath checks and have never felt fearful.

    However, my stance has slightly changed now that we have pushed the non-vaccinated goalposts from no entry into commercial premises (which I think is acceptable to a degree) to the general outdoors. I imagine, in due time, we will have checkpoints to police who should and shouldn't be out and about. You would be presenting your vaccination status to prove you are allowed to be out. It feels like a slippery slope, and I'd be lying if I didn't say that I felt a little nervous about that prospect.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MissTwiggley View Post
    You would be presenting your vaccination status to prove you are allowed to be out. It feels like a slippery slope, and I'd be lying if I didn't say that I felt a little nervous about that prospect.
    I find the slippery slope most concerning.

    In broad terms, to introduce sweeping societal changes, the general population will be more likely to accept small incremental changes over a long period of time as opposed to one big reform undertaken in one hit. Big change results in protests and governments not getting reelected. Smaller incremental changes over a longer period of change can go unnoticed.

    Eg While restricting entry to a commercial premises or even crossing a border, getting on a plane to a vaccinated person may seem reasonable at this stage (due to fear), where does it end? Will the next small change seem reasonable too? and the next one after that and so on? Will we wake up one day with non covid vaxers having had all of their civil liberties removed and no one noticed?

    I don't really want anyone to answer my questions. Just putting it out there. The whole thing makes me uncomfortable.

    At any rate, I don't agree with easing lockdown conditions for vaccinated people this early in NSW simply because not enough people have been vaccinated yet. Vaccinated people can get sick, still end up in hospital and still end up in ICU. Currently 15 or 13% of people in NSW ICU's have been vaccinated. I'm not a medical professional but from a numbers perspective, the overall ICU admissions numbers seem too high at the moment. They are only going to keep on rising and some hospitals are at capacity.

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    So, a hypothetical for those who think that banning unvaccinated people from anywhere, including commercial premises [had to correct a hilarious typo, it said penises instead of premises... ban them from commercial penises...🙄] might be ok, in spite of the fact that the vaccinated can easily still be infected and infect others....

    What if, when all is said and done, and everybody who wants to be vaccinated has been, it turns out that certain ethnic or racial groups are overrepresented in the "unvaccinated" cohort?

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    Vaccination might also increase the number of asymptomatic infections btw. Asymptomatic people are more likely to go out, go to work, etc, than someone exhibiting symptoms.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SSecret Squirrel View Post
    In broad terms, to introduce sweeping societal changes, the general population will be more likely to accept small incremental changes over a long period of time as opposed to one big reform undertaken in one hit. Smaller incremental changes over a longer period of change can go unnoticed.

    Eg While restricting entry to a commercial premises or even crossing a border, getting on a plane to a vaccinated person may seem reasonable at this stage (due to fear), where does it end? Will the next small change seem reasonable too? and the next one after that and so on? Will we wake up one day with non covid vaxers having had all of their civil liberties removed and no one noticed?
    This should be shouted from the roof tops. Nail smack bang on the head, SS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mum-I-Am View Post
    Meant to reply not like.

    You weren’t in the Holocaust, you don’t have a valid prospective of what it was like. What would your ancestors think of you likening being gassed to death to not being able to go to the park?
    I'm reasonably confident that my ancestors would grasp what I was driving at and not share your interpretation.

    I had a very close bond with a few of them who went through horrific things. They helped shape the person I am. And if I can maintain a fraction of the humanity they had, their absence of hatred and their rejection of discrimination, I'll be happy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kalina View Post
    Vaccination might also increase the number of asymptomatic infections btw. Asymptomatic people are more likely to go out, go to work, etc, than someone exhibiting symptoms.
    It might also lead to the unvaccinated being over-represented case-wise. If the majority of those vaccinated are of the belief that they cannot catch nor transmit covid, then why would they seek a test?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kalina View Post
    S[had to correct a hilarious typo, it said penises instead of premises... ban them from commercial penises
    If they imposed a ban on penises, I'd have to stage a coup.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MissTwiggley View Post
    If they imposed a ban on penises, I'd have to stage a coup.
    Lol, don’t tell my husband but I think I’d cope just fine

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