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    Default Failed Egg Donor in Greece (Athens) - worth trying Spain?

    Quote Originally Posted by maxlau View Post
    Hi there

    We're new to the forum, based in Melbourne and - like many in here, I suppose - we've been on this IVF/ED journey for a while :-)

    I am 45 and my wife is 43 and - after 8 unsuccessful IVF cycles here in Melbourne (very few eggs of poor-medium quality, we never got pregnant), we did 2 ED cycles in Athens with Dr Syrkos. We got 3 embryos last July, one of which we implanted fresh - my wife got pregnant, but at the 1st scan there was no heartbeat and the sac was basically empty and smaller that what should have been.
    We just got back from Athens, where we had put the 2 remaining embryos (which looked in good shape when thawed) in, but unfortunately 2 consecutive pregnancy tests showed negative, which was very disappointing.
    We don't know what happened (no-one in similar circumstances does, I guess), but we're obviously crushed at this stage because we had high hopes for these 2 embyros.

    We're now thinking of trying Egg Donor somewhere in Spain, and I was wondering if anyone here has had success there after trying in Greece. Any direct experiences would be of great help, as well as any recommendations for good clinics over there with good success rates.

    Thanks in advance :-)

    - Max
    Hi Max,
    I’m 44 and had unsuccessful Ivf In Melbourne. I’m 45 in May so will be cut by the system anyways I spoke to my fertility doctor last week and said this isn’t working- what’s next after having an unsuccessful retrieval of no eggs She mentioned egg donor was my really only last hope, which my part and I were already discussing. She told me if I was overweight she’d tell me to lose 5kg and come back but said I can’t tell you to lose 5 years! (Wish she could!!) Reality check! I told her I was looking at Greece and Czech. She said no way- go to Spain and use the clinic called IVI. They are all over Spain. She has no shares in the company, but like Monash here- they spend time and money on research which other companies/countries follow. There doctors write published papers on the tests and findings all the time. She finds Greece’s ethics questionable but sees IVI Spain as trailblazers in this field. They are more expensive as the advertised amount doesn’t cover donor meds, storage etc but if you have 3 failures you get refunded for the lot. Who would have thought you get a money back guarantee The initial consultation with the doc face to face or Skype also costs around $220. I have mine next week then I’ll make my decision. Food for thought from my fertility doctor! Also being in Europe donors are anonymous and they don’t share donor eggs. Works out around euro 10,000 with everything as opposed to 7000 elsewhere. For our age group it’s around 60-80% chance first time. With Ivf here it’s 2.2%. I don’t have the coin so will need to visit the bank, but for the sake of 3,000 euro or $4,500-$5,000 extra than Greece or Czech-on the scale of things i think it’s a small price to pay. Good luck. If everything works out I’m hoping to go in may for my 45th bday would be the best present ever!

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    I looked into IVI on my FS's rec too, they seem fantastic, the only reason I didn't go there was the cost. The guarantee is excellent, but there are caveats, not everyone qualifies for the guarantee.
    So I did the consult and spoke about costs, the only thing to be aware of is that their quote doesn't include a fair few things most would take for granted in IVF - such as cultivation to five days, the quote only includes day three embryos (at least it did in September last year when I spoke to them). All up, with all the add-ons their price from memory was around €11,000. Top clinics in Czech Republic generally charge €4500-5500 for the equivalent, in Greece €5500-6000, don't know about South Africa. Another thing to factor in is the cost of FET if the first transfer doesn't work and you have to go back for frosties. There can be a huuuuge difference in how much clinics charge for FET, with some charging exorbitant, daylight robbery prices for what is really a very simple thing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by stacey10 View Post
    Zlin charge €4500 for a donor cycle which includes icsi and they guarantee 2 top 5 day blasts.
    Hello @stacey10 do you get to see the profiles of the donors? Because I’m mostly Asian blonder blued eyes bub would probably not be a close fit to me physically

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    @RubyT78 no you don’t, none of the EU clinics will let you see photos, your really looking at South Africa, Russia, probably Ukraine etc not sure about the Asian countries either, I know dogus in north Cyprus have a good choice with different ethnic backgrounds and can get Asian donors, although once again you cannot see photos. They charge €4500 for 5 day transfer, although do charge an extra €1000 for freezing any left over embryos .

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    Quote Originally Posted by stacey10 View Post
    @RubyT78 no you don’t, none of the EU clinics will let you see photos, your really looking at South Africa, Russia, probably Ukraine etc not sure about the Asian countries either, I know dogus in north Cyprus have a good choice with different ethnic backgrounds and can get Asian donors, although once again you cannot see photos. They charge €4500 for 5 day transfer, although do charge an extra €1000 for freezing any left over embryos .
    Ah ok, thanks so much @stacey10 I guess if we go Europe than it would be Spain, closer to my cultural background - ah it’s so hard to choose!!!! Such a process of elimination!

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    Hello everyone again

    Since our last post, we have done some further research and contacted a few clinics in Czech and Spain for our next ED treatment. At this stage, we have shortlisted Reprofit and Procreatec, with Tambre (in Spain) also potentially in the mix.

    Other than overall costs (Reprofit's is approx EUR 5.5k, with Procreatec approx EUR 9k), can anyone recommend any other considerations that we shd take into account in choosing one or the other? We've also spoken to Zlin, but we have been disappointed by their lack of responsiveness etc.

    Has anyone used Reprofit or Procreatec recently?

    Thx in advance :-)

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    @maxlau I’m really shocked that zlin responses haven’t been that good for you, I went there and found them fantastic, very easy to deal with etc, if I hadn’t have gone there I would have gone to reprofit, @Kalina went to reprofit and is currently pregnant

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    Yup, me @maxlau - I went to Reprofit at the end of last year after three failed attempts at a clinic in Greece, and am currently seven months pregnant.

    Dont know if prices have gone up since - all up we paid £5300 - that was the basic cycle cost plus a few optional extras I wanted. You've probably seen that they have a price list so it's easy to work out costs.

    I went to them after nine own egg cycles here in Aus and three failed donor egg attempts in Greece - I was pretty pessimistic about pour chances by that stage.

    They made it onto my shortlist for the following reasons:

    - They're a big, established clinic, and they do hundreds and hundreds of cycles per year. I figured that with that much experience they've seen it all.

    - They place a lot of emphasis on science and embryology, amd they have a world-class lab. After being burned by a decidedly dodgy experience at my old clinic in Greece I was confident that Reprofit would either give us good embryos, or detect a problem in that regard.

    - Their preference is to do single embryo transfers because they stand by the quality of their lab (which impacts hugely on embryo quality) and they maintain a very good success rate anyway. Having said that, they will do double transfers for Australian patients if they insist (which I very nearly did) because of the distance and expense involved in travelling all that way. But you'd have to push for this.

    Once I saw them and had the cycle/transfer I felt at ease - I honestly felt that even if it didn't work, I was confident in the clinic, their expertise and professionalism, and I knew that I'd been given the best possible chance. As it turns out it worked.

    I also researched Spain, but personally I didn't think that the price difference was justified. The Czech Republic is far less well-known here in Australia than Greece or Spain, but once I researched I realised that they've been at the forefront of fertility research, embryology and medicine in general for decades. The lower cost relatively speaking is simply a remnant of a socialised medical system, their science is world class.

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    Hi @Kalina, thanks heaps for the very detailed email :-)

    We are liking Reprofit so far, too. Would you mind telling us which doc you ended up doing the treatment with and whether you did the ERA test?

    Thx!

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    Quote Originally Posted by maxlau View Post
    Hi @Kalina, thanks heaps for the very detailed email :-)

    We are liking Reprofit so far, too. Would you mind telling us which doc you ended up doing the treatment with and whether you did the ERA test?

    Thx!
    @maxlau Dr Hana Pospisilova devised my protocol and was my official doctor, however she was away on the day of transfer so my transfer was done by Dr Tomas Bagocsi. Worked out well that way - Dr Hana answered a few of my questions by email (my coordinator put me in contact with the Dr direct to discuss my previous failed cycles). Dr Tomas did a very smooth transfer, and he spent ages with me answering my 101 questions. Very knowledgeable and very patient and calming.

    I didn't do the ERA. I looked into it but wasn't convinced.

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