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    Hi @Kalina, thanks a lot for your response. We used Iakentro in Athens and they were ok but - as I mentioned earlier - it didnt work for us. Which clinic did you use in Czech in the end? Did it work 1st time around with the fresh embryos transfer?

    And no, we did not use donor sperm, might has been ok so far apparently. Would the MACS/PICSI tests on my sperm be done at the same clinic we would do egg donor at?

    Finally, my wife told me about this Australian clinic (in Hurtsville, I believe) that also does egg donor treatment. I assume that , given AU legislation, the donor would not be anonymous with them, right?

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    We went to Reprofit in the CR. I narrowed it down to Reprofit and Zlin, ended up with R because the timing worked better for us. It did work on the first fresh transfer, I got very lucky. My doctor there told me that where the male partner is 45+ the chances drop from 50-55% to 30-40% per embryo (I had a single transfer), even if the sperm analysis looks good, so I know how lucky we got. We also used EmbryoScope, which helps them choose the best embryo to transfer even if they look to be of the same quality. Yes, clinics which do MACS and PICSI generally have better equipped labs and more experienced embryologists, it's all done on site. Many will do it with a history of repeat failure even if the sperm passes initial tests. We did get a better batch of embryos than we had previously, four top grade blastocysts all up.

    I changed clinics because I had doubts about the way my Greek clinic went about things. But my Greek clinic was not of Iakentro's calibre and didn't have their experience, unfortunately had to learn this the hard way.

    Did your Dr at Iakentro give you a follow up, do they have a view on why it failed? I went to a very good repeat IVF failure specialist who told me to think of it this way - IF you're with a top clinic and certain that the endometrium was properly prepared for transfer, then each top grade embryo has about a 50-50 chance of implanting....so, one not taking is understandable....two not taking is bad luck..three not taking, while still possibly just dumb rotten luck, you have to wonder. Technically you did have implantation the first time, even though it was a blighted ovum.

    Yes, donation in Australia can't be anonymous, so even if the donor eggs are sourced overseas there would be an identity-release agreement in place.

    I wish you guys the best of luck next time - whether you stay with Iakentro or go elsewhere, I think you're completely right to be looking for answers. No doctor is infallible and nobody will care about this as much as you and your wife do, so if you've had failures behind you I think it's healthy to go into treatment asking questions.

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    Oh and I just realised my reference to your wife's loss, the blighted ovum, could have seemed cold, I'm sorry if it did. I know how devastating this must have been for you both. I'm sorry it happened to you, especially with so many cycles behind you.

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    Thanks @Kalina. Your reference was not cold at all, please don't stress about this at all!

    We might end up going to Czech or Spain, to be honest I wasnt happy at all re: the reasons the Dr gave us for this not working (mostly high level, nothing specific).
    The use of Embryoscope and other tests sounds reassuring and provides me with a level of comfort re: how they would go about the process.

    We didnt get any of that at Iakentro, which was disappointing.

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    To be honest I would stay away from Spain, it’s expensive and I do follow some on the Spanish clinics on another forum, and some of the ladies seem to be only getting around 6 eggs at pick up and ending up with one blast which isn’t much bang for your buck, also a lot of clinics will charge an absorbent amount of money for embryoscope, some up to €500 extra, which I honestly can’t see how they can justify this amount, most clinics in the Czech Republic charge a lot less for this, usually around €200 give or take. Also depending on which clinic you choose, your usually looking at around 10 eggs at pick up.

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    Thanks @stacey10 - it looks like Czech clinics offer great value for money suite of services from what you're saying. I imagine that they would be able to match us with a donor whose complexion is similar to ours (Mediterranean complexion)?

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    Definitely zlin and reprofit you get good value for money, you could make initial enquirese to check matching posibilities, if your both of Mediterranean background and your using your sperm, I would think if they couldn’t match exactly skin tone, it wouldn’t matter too much as your genes would obviously play a roll in any potential children, although I did ask for a donor with light olive skin, or who tans easily as I do, and my 3 girls have skin like me. If it’s really important to you and they say that they would have trouble matching your wife, then I would look at north Cyprus before Spain still. Most of the clinics over there are reasonably priced as well and they have an extensive range of nationalities available as donors, that could also be another option for you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by maxlau View Post
    Thanks @Kalina. Your reference was not cold at all, please don't stress about this at all!

    We might end up going to Czech or Spain, to be honest I wasnt happy at all re: the reasons the Dr gave us for this not working (mostly high level, nothing specific).
    The use of Embryoscope and other tests sounds reassuring and provides me with a level of comfort re: how they would go about the process.

    We didnt get any of that at Iakentro, which was disappointing.
    It's so hard when you're not getting any answers. Most of the time it's true that nobody can really say why it didn't work, there's only so much they can do and then there's that critical point in time when the embryo has to implant, and the best doctors in the world don't know why it doesn't happen sometimes. It's important to have confidence in your clinic, and no one clinic works for and is the right fit for everyone.

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    Hi there,

    I'm so sorry to hear that you and your wife are experiencing this heartache.

    My husband and I went through 17 failed cycles before we ventured to Spain. We used IVF Spain and it was after a lot of research and comparing every last detail. Yes, they're a litlte more expensive than other European cities but from my experience, they delivered.

    On our 18th cycle and and after 6 and a half years of IVF we got lucky and we got pregnant. Our boy is nearly 9 months old now and I'm still in awe.... I'm so grateful we took a chance on IVF Spain as they gave us what no other clinic could.

    I posted a reivew here on Bub Hub last October and here's the link

    https://www.bubhub.com.au/community/...cle-my-review-)

    I'm more than happy to answer any questions you and your wife may have.

    All the best.
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    Many Thx @Ves :-)


 

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