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    Default What age can teenagers consent to flu needles?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hopeful37 View Post
    That's a strange one... sexual health is not going to impact your health or wellbeing... um it could impact it for life if you catch an STD or get pregnant....

    Bit different from not getting a flu this season....
    I expressed myself incorrectly, of course I'm aware there are repercussions in becoming sexually active, however, they are very different to those of a medical procedure and will not be the direct result of the gp's actions.

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    With regard to your first statement, it is not the GP making decisions for your children - it is your young person providing their own consent.

    With regard to whether the family is anti vax or whatever - irrelevant. The young person is the patient, the GP's duty is to them, and if the young person consents to the vax, that's all that's required.
    No, giving a young person information letting them go off and process given information is letting the young person make their own decisions.
    Taking a few minutes to tell them whatever you can cram in a short dr's appointment to me is not allowing them to make their own informed decision. Not to mention it is a grey area legally.

    I'm just surprised that people would so blindly trust a gp, and be so sure they're aren't pushing their own pharmaceutical agenda.
    I feel I have gone off on a tangent, and totally derailed- so I'm agreeing to disagree with everyone, I personally will not allow a gp to make decisions for my children, on any medical procedure no matter how minor, without my consent, until they are 18, and responsible for their own medical health.
    And I'm leaving it at that.
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    Default What age can teenagers consent to flu needles?

    I can understand your trepidation.

    Unfortunately, saying you will not allow a gp to make a decision until the child is 18 may not work. Mainly because they can make their own spot and go without your knowledge.

    Plus you have said you would have no issue with them seeing for sxual health issue and being prescribed OCP for that (I'm paraphrasing, let me know if I misunderstood)....isn't that just another situation when a gP makes a decision without you?

    Also, you mentioned the child might not know enough about her own history to understand that implications of a vaccination. Again, couldn't that also be the case for her consenting to the OCP?

    I can't see a difference. Either you are happy for both, or you are saying not to both.

    Based on some of your comments (including the one about "pharmaceutical agenda), To me it seems you are hung up on this matter because it's a vaccination.

    And I have found most people on Bub hub to be pro vax (because they listen to scientific studies, and understand that doctors general don't have "agendas" other than making sure the patient has the best treatment available to them), and pro choice (for an individual to be allowed to make their own choices about their body and medical treatments), so I don't think you will find a lot of support to try restrict the healthcare your child can legally access without your consent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sparklebug View Post
    I expressed myself incorrectly, of course I'm aware there are repercussions in becoming sexually active, however, they are very different to those of a medical procedure and will not be the direct result of the gp's actions.



    No, giving a young person information letting them go off and process given information is letting the young person make their own decisions.
    Taking a few minutes to tell them whatever you can cram in a short dr's appointment to me is not allowing them to make their own informed decision. Not to mention it is a grey area legally.

    I'm just surprised that people would so blindly trust a gp, and be so sure they're aren't pushing their own pharmaceutical agenda.
    I feel I have gone off on a tangent, and totally derailed- so I'm agreeing to disagree with everyone, I personally will not allow a gp to make decisions for my children, on any medical procedure no matter how minor, without my consent, until they are 18, and responsible for their own medical health.
    And I'm leaving it at that.
    I don't believe that a gp is "pushing their own pharmaceutical agenda" by suggesting an asthmatic has a flu jab!

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    Quote Originally Posted by sparklebug View Post
    I expressed myself incorrectly, of course I'm aware there are repercussions in becoming sexually active, however, they are very different to those of a medical procedure and will not be the direct result of the gp's actions.



    No, giving a young person information letting them go off and process given information is letting the young person make their own decisions.
    Taking a few minutes to tell them whatever you can cram in a short dr's appointment to me is not allowing them to make their own informed decision. Not to mention it is a grey area legally.

    I'm just surprised that people would so blindly trust a gp, and be so sure they're aren't pushing their own pharmaceutical agenda.
    I feel I have gone off on a tangent, and totally derailed- so I'm agreeing to disagree with everyone, I personally will not allow a gp to make decisions for my children, on any medical procedure no matter how minor, without my consent, until they are 18, and responsible for their own medical health.
    And I'm leaving it at that.
    I resented my parents for not allowing me to see the dr on my own. And to choose my GP and make medical decisions.

    The GP helps make the best medical decision for their patient. They aren't there to push drugs for 'big pharma'.

    This year is predicted to be a bad flu year. Those who are vulnerable are encouraged to be vaccinated (and it is bulk billed). Its not to push 'pharmaceuticals'. It is for patient health.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lanabananah View Post
    I can understand your trepidation.

    Unfortunately, saying you will not allow a gp to make a decision until the child is 18 may not work. Mainly because they can make their own spot and go without your knowledge.

    Plus you have said you would have no issue with them seeing for sxual health issue and being prescribed OCP for that (I'm paraphrasing, let me know if I misunderstood)....isn't that just another situation when a gP makes a decision without you?

    Also, you mentioned the child might not know enough about her own history to understand that implications of a vaccination. Again, couldn't that also be the case for her consenting to the OCP?

    I can't see a difference. Either you are happy for both, or you are saying not to both.

    Based on some of your comments (including the one about "pharmaceutical agenda), To me it seems you are hung up on this matter because it's a vaccination.

    And I have found most people on Bub hub to be pro vax (because they listen to scientific studies, and understand that doctors general don't have "agendas" other than making sure the patient has the best treatment available to them), and pro choice (for an individual to be allowed to make their own choices about their body and medical treatments), so I don't think you will find a lot of support to try restrict the healthcare your child can legally access without your consent.
    Actually I'm pro vax, and pro choice, I just would not accept that anyone would make a decision regarding my child's health without consulting me.

    And no, I didn't say I would not have an issue with my underage child going to see a gp regarding sexual health, I said it is legal for a 16 yr old, to do so. I would not be ok with my child doing so in secrecy, it would make me wonder why they could not come to me since we very openly talk about things.

    I'm not 'hung up' at all I was simply stating an opinion, I stand by it- I find it odd that the gp would asked the mum to leave the room so he could do a flu shot, it's a flu shot for god's sake why didn't he just tell the mother, she already expressed concern about asthma, so more then likely she would have been ok with the flu shot. It seems odd.

    I would never want to restrict healthcare to my child, but It is my responsibility to make sure that my child is given the best care possible, so I will not do something I feel is not right.
    I have been in a situation where I insisted on a second opinion after a 30 second consultation where I was told my DD would need surgery, only for the second specialist to say that that was ridiculous and he fixed the problem with demazin, yes from surgery to over the counter demazin. So excuse if I don't believe that all dr's are infallible, I see them more human like, and much like myself they too make mistakes.

    Anyway I'm on Central European time, its late, so I'm probably not articulating myself properly.
    My views don't come from the big bad place of anti vax, rather from that- if a mum has a gut feeling something isn't right she should listen to that.

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    Consent for medical treatment in some instances is 14 in nsw. Also some GPs will ask the pt if they want their parent back in and its the teens choice. Its abit confronting when ure child is put in this situation...... i guess itspart of growing up....

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    Teens can get their own medicare cards from age 15. I guess the age of consent for medical procedures kicks in at that age.

    Being the parent of teens though, I'm not completely on board with that though. I'm talking about the under 18s here. There is a long backstory behind my comment that I don't want to rehash on here.

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    Maybe the GP ask you to leave so that he/she could ask about sexual health/contraception etc ... and then the flu shot went on from after that conversation as an incidental "oh and while you are here, seeing as you have asthma you should have a flu shot"

    It certainly seems unlikely that the flu shot itself would be something that you would not be included in, but I totally get a GP wanting to speak privately to a 16 yr old without her parents attending.

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    Ok, sorry, I misunderstood some of your comments.

    Regardless, if it legal for the child to consent, the only thing you can do it be up front with the doctor and ask for an explanation why it happened like that.

    If you aren't happy with the answer, you might need to find a new GP.... but a lot may choose to treat the patient in the same way, and have consults without you.

    Especially if the whole thing is bulk billed and you aren't paying for it.

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    You would be upset if your 16 year old went to the GP for sexual health issues, because you expect they would come to you about those things, but you freaked out about them making their own decision over a flu jab?

    If you are a self confessed 'control freak' when it comes to your child's health, I think you might be surprised about how willing they'll be to discuss those type of issues with you going forward.

    I would have been mortified if my mum had even come in to the doctor with me at 16, not about if she started trying to make medical decisions on my behalf - especially very minor ones. If I wanted her there, and wanted her input, I would have asked.

    I doubt the dr asked you to leave the room to do a flu shot. He asked you to leave so he could see if there was anything your daughter wanted to discuss that she wasn't comfortable discussing in front of you. Maybe he had sensed you were a bit of a 'control freak' and thought your daughter should be given the opportunity to speak for herself?

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