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    I'm so pleased our school has started Ethics classes, it's like religion classes for the non-religious IYKWIM. I also wish world religions were covered in primary in an age appropriate way. We know prejudice stems from ignorance. Educate kids about religion in public schools from a 'this is what Islam/Hindu/Christian believe' aspect. I have zero issue with that. It's just so unmonitored atm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cheeeeesecake View Post
    I know it's not the topic of the thread, but I have a huge problem with how religion is taught in public schools too @delirium, should be a trained teacher teaching a 'world religions' class & focussing on tolerance and understanding of all religions. The vitrol I see on fb etc agains some religions - particularly islam at the moment - just smacks of ignorance. I want my own kids to understand well about different beliefs and religions so they don't grow up to be bigoted a$$holes.
    YES YES YES.

    Religion, whether people like it or not, has a huge impact on our world, past and present. Lack of understanding and education breeds intolerance. We need to break this cycle. I get more and more depressed about the state of the world everyday, we have gone backwards over the past 10 or so years.

    I'll take a bet that most Christian people who spew crap about Islam don't even realise that Muslims and Christians (and Jews) worship the same God. They all have so much more in common than they probably realise.

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    I'm genuinely interested how your school integrates creationism and science? Does the catholic system teach Genesis as literal? Can I ask if your private school is a run of the mill little St Pat's type or more of a Christian college i.e. more evangelical/fundamental?

    No loaded questions, just wondering.

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    Quote Originally Posted by delirium View Post
    I'm genuinely interested how your school integrates creationism and science? Does the catholic system teach Genesis as literal? Can I ask if your private school is a run of the mill little St Pat's type or more of a Christian college i.e. more evangelical/fundamental?

    No loaded questions, just wondering.
    I haven't read all replies but I will say that in my catholic school, for our HSC we were taught creationism by the same nun who taught us biology, evolution & natural selection.

    She was the best teacher we had, truly believed that if you are a catholic, there is no reason as to why you can't believe in both. Which is what I believe.

    As I said - she was the best teacher we had by far. Wonderful, thought provoking lessons.

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    How do you merge creationism and science though? Again, this isn't an insult, I'm just trying to understand. Now if you believe, like one of my church going parents that the world wasn't created in 7 days, and that Genesis are a bunch of stories written by people who were trying to grapple with our existance pre- science, but that God *did* create the universe - I get that concept.

    I consider creationism more than just the belief that God created the universe, humans, animals the whole shebang. It's the antithesis of what we know scientifically. Am I seeing the term wrong?

    What do you consider 'creationism'? I consider it a steadfast belief in the literal words of Genesis.

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    Quote Originally Posted by delirium View Post
    I'm genuinely interested how your school integrates creationism and science? Does the catholic system teach Genesis as literal? Can I ask if your private school is a run of the mill little St Pat's type or more of a Christian college i.e. more evangelical/fundamental?

    No loaded questions, just wondering.
    It's a christian school, and it is specifically aimed at educating children from christian families. Instead of denying the science, we would teach, 'the bible teaches xyz about creation. Science has shown xyz about evolution.' Then we would discuss how the religious belief and scientific knowledge can complement each other/ work together, and how they do not. We would talk about the reliability of the scientific evidence, and how we are constantly learning new things. We would talk about how literal the bible is, & the possibilities of the stories being more figurative. We would encourage discussion and critical thought processes. Not sure if I'm making sense! But I think the worst thing we can do for our kids is deny the science and pretend it doesnt exist - then they will grow up, learn the science, and wonder if they can still believe in God when all this scientific evidence goes against everything they were taught. It's good to teach both so they can have informed thinking and make up their own minds.

    ETA: for me, I see creationism as belief in a creator (God). The HOW he created - that could be varied beliefs IMO, & still be creationism. So some people will believe in a literal genesis account, whilst others will believe God used evolution, natural selection, etc, & genesis is more figurative than literal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cheeeeesecake View Post
    It's a christian school, and it is specifically aimed at educating children from christian families. Instead of denying the science, we would teach, 'the bible teaches xyz about creation. Science has shown xyz about evolution.' Then we would discuss how the religious belief and scientific knowledge can complement each other/ work together, and how they do not. We would talk about the reliability of the scientific evidence, and how we are constantly learning new things. We would talk about how literal the bible is, & the possibilities of the stories being more figurative. We would encourage discussion and critical thought processes. Not sure if I'm making sense! But I think the worst thing we can do for our kids is deny the science and pretend it doesnt exist - then they will grow up, learn the science, and wonder if they can still believe in God when all this scientific evidence goes against everything they were taught. It's good to teach both so they can have informed thinking and make up their own minds.
    No makes perfect sense and what I would hope to see in a Christian school. The teaching of Christianity but also open, fair discussion about the idea of literal vs figurative.

    But see I don't consider that creationism, I consider that the teaching of science and religion and it's connections and differences. Critical thought.

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    I feel like there is some misunderstanding of what creationism is in this thread. Creationism is not necessarily creation, though it is a version of it. Creationism is a belief that genesis is literally true and that the world is no more than 6000 years old and God created the universe in 6 days. Belief in creation just means you believe God created the universe (but you may not believe genesis is literally true).

    Belief in creation can be compatible with evolution.

    Belief in creationism contradicts evolution.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AdornedWithCats View Post
    I feel like there is some misunderstanding of what creationism is in this thread. Creationism is not necessarily creation, though it is a version of it. Creationism is a belief that genesis is literally true and that the world is no more than 6000 years old and God created the universe in 6 days. Belief in creation just means you believe God created the universe (but you may not believe genesis is literally true).

    Belief in creation can be compatible with evolution.

    Belief in creationism contradicts evolution.
    Yes excactly!

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    Quote Originally Posted by delirium View Post
    How do you merge creationism and science though? Again, this isn't an insult, I'm just trying to understand. Now if you believe, like one of my church going parents that the world wasn't created in 7 days, and that Genesis are a bunch of stories written by people who were trying to grapple with our existance pre- science, but that God *did* create the universe - I get that concept.

    I consider creationism more than just the belief that God created the universe, humans, animals the whole shebang. It's the antithesis of what we know scientifically. Am I seeing the term wrong?

    What do you consider 'creationism'? I consider it a steadfast belief in the literal words of Genesis.
    3 crazy kids atm so will write the short version.

    I believe, and the nun believes, it's not literal.

    The creation story was set of thousands/millions of years. So yes, God created the sun, the world, the dinosaurs, then how ever Millenia in the future, he decided to make mankind. That may be in the form of 'lucy' australiopithecus afarensis, Neanderthal man or homo sapien - personally there is too much evidence to suggest that evolution did occur, so I'm ok with the thought that we have evolved from some prehistoric version of man. But that doesn't mean I don't believe that God was behind it all.


    I think some non-Catholics have this idea that we take everything as gospel (no pun intended).

    I certainly don't, and the majority of people I know don't.

    Ps please be kind - I'm not trying to evangelise and those of you who are agnostics or atheist be respectful of what I've written - you don't have to believe it, just be kind.


 
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