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    Quote Originally Posted by delirium View Post
    Well I'm not a supposed feminist I *am* a feminist and of course I do. I'm not sure where you are going with this but there are buses and other options other than being a danger behind the wheel. As a teacher you should know that if there were zero options to a child attending school that a teacher would happily pick up that child every day.

    Should the child of an alcoholic miss out on school bc the parent can't drive?

    eta my youngest is an appalling sleeper, so I get it. But on those days when I'm exhausted, I don't go anywhere. Period. Really there is no need great enough except maybe medical attention for a child. We know driving severely sleep deprived is akin to being drunk behind the wheel. Why is one ok and the other isn't?
    I grew up rurally. No buses. No courtesy buses unless you lived in town. There were maybe 2 taxis - but to pick up and drop off it would cost a small fortune since I lived out of town. If you had no family/friends available then there is little or no choice. There is no online grocery delivery. I doubt there is home dr service (there never was growing up). You can creatively think but you do not get far. Yes, someone could pick up milk/bread after work but kids need to get to/from school. Dr visits are not available outside of work hours.

    I now live in Brisbane. There are buses/trains etc available to me so I use them and don't drive much if at all. But understand when some people just have to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by babyno1onboard View Post
    Everyone condemns drink driving yet studies show that sleep deprived driving can impair judgement just as much. There was a recent thread about a drunk driver killing a young boy and everyone was quick to condemn (rightly so!), what would have been people's reaction if it was a sleep deprived driver?
    I think this points out Sally1981's comment perfectly, that because we have more of a moral issue with drinking and driving we would judge more than other factors.

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    I have driven sleep deprived many times. Did i want to hell No. No one in their right mind would drive unless it was absolutely necessary.

    Kids still need to school
    People need to go to work.
    Doctors and specialist appointments need to be done.
    The necessary things still need to be got.

    No buses where i live now or where i used to live.
    At our old place i had relatives i could call.
    Luckily I do now have a relative i can call to help. I feel so blessed by that.
    A taxi to town is somewhere around $70 one way. So one trip on and back is my most of grocery money gone.

    So you do what you have too. You do everything you can to minimize the effects of sleepiness.

    Sleep deprivation is different to drink driving as drynk driver has the choice to drink or not. The sleep deprived person has done everything in the power not to be sleep deprived. It wasnt their choice to be so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by twinklify View Post
    I grew up rurally. No buses. No courtesy buses unless you lived in town. There were maybe 2 taxis - but to pick up and drop off it would cost a small fortune since I lived out of town. If you had no family/friends available then there is little or no choice. There is no online grocery delivery. I doubt there is home dr service (there never was growing up). You can creatively think but you do not get far. Yes, someone could pick up milk/bread after work but kids need to get to/from school. Dr visits are not available outside of work hours.

    I now live in Brisbane. There are buses/trains etc available to me so I use them and don't drive much if at all. But understand when some people just have to.
    Where I grew up, I was the only child that lived in one direction (the road ended at a mountain and all other houses were summer holiday homes, only a few people lived in them through the winter). Our road to our house wasn't plowed and we drove a snowmobile up to our car on the main road (I sh1t you not) then my dad drove me into town 20 mins to catch the bus to school which was another 45 min drive. Most of the teachers lived in various other small towns and drove to the school. My town had 300 people. No buses, no taxis. Only one dr and the hospital only for emergencies run by volunteers. My parents never drove me sleep deprived as I was older and not effecting their sleep. But they genuinely had no choice but to be the one to drive me, other family members lived a state away.

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    Default Leaving kids in car for Latte

    I just read the first post of that thread...I can't remember the last time I had a 5 hour BLOCK of sleep! Do people actually get those? Sounds like heaven! Even pre-kids I always got up to go to the bathroom a few times a night or eat a bowl of cereal, I've always been a restless sleeper. Apparently I should never be driving.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HollyGolightly81 View Post
    I just read the first post of that thread...I can't remember the last time I had a 5 hour BLOCK of sleep! Do people actually get those? Sounds like heaven! Even pre-kids I always got up to go to the bathroom a few times a night or eat a bowl of cereal, I've always been a restless sleeper. Apparently I should never be driving.
    I've always been an early riser. Up by 8 at the very latest.

    These days I get between 6-8 hours of solid sleep and that is all I need. I normally go to bed at 11 and up between 5 and 7. My kids don't wake up through the night unless they are sick, hot, cold, etc. Even as babies they were pretty good sleepers with only a few hiccups here and there. But I did most (95%) of night wakings as my husband drives trucks, operates heavy machinery and works crazy long hours.

    My kids wake about 6:30 these days. They are aged 8, 6, 4.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LoveLivesHere View Post
    Sleep deprivation is different to drink driving as drynk driver has the choice to drink or not. The sleep deprived person has done everything in the power not to be sleep deprived. It wasnt their choice to be so.
    I think that is part of the point @Sally1981 was making. People commonly make moral judgments about different activities (drink driving = morally bad; driving while severely sleep deprived = many will empathise and not judge) when in fact the risk profile of the different activities may be exactly the same.

    It's an interesting point, and not one I'd thought much about before. Thanks Sally1981.

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