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    Quote Originally Posted by HollyGolightly81 View Post
    I keep seeing you refer to the thought that 'they' shouldn't have let her be the candidate. This isn't like in Australia where the party leaders choose who will be the leader of the party and then that person is put forward as the candidate for prime minister, with the belief that you are voting for a particular party to be in power rather than just the prime minister (although I personally believe that many vote for the actual prime minister, not just the party). Anybody can run for president and we vote for who we feel will be best. For those of us 'regular citizens' registered to a specific party, we can vote between the candidates that are running for that party. The only people who 'put' Hillary there are the democratic voters. Just as the republican voters put Trump there. You could argue that many influential democrats shouldn't have endorsed her to lessen her chances, but the same could be said for Trump. Bernie couldn't beat Trump no matter how much everyone liked him, he was too far left and should have run as an independent. Nobody else ran against her. Biden would've been a good option, but he vocally said that he didn't want it. Regardless, most Americans have assumed/known that Hillary would run in 2016, I highly doubt any of us were surprised, and she still won the majority vote. The issue is more what has been happening within the Republican Party the past several years that keeps giving way to these fringe groups and what they need to do to rebuild their party so that people trust them as a whole more.

    http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/...-trump/482004/

    http://www.nbcnews.com/specials/dona.../trump-history
    All fair points and probably shows my lack of clarity in how I'm expressing myself. I'm going on what commentators in the media are also saying. I understand it's a more popular vote but it's also who has the backing and support of the party itself, as was the argument against Bernie. She would never be able to run as a democrat if she didn't have the phenomenal support of the party.

    it's interesting to me. I'm learning about this every day.

    But you're right she was probably inevitable.
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    I found this article really interesting.

    http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/worl...06-gsj5m3.html

    "...Washington-based Canadian correspondent Daniel Dale has made it his mission to count every Trump lie every day – by Day 33, in mid-October, he had reached incident 253 in what he describes as the GOP candidate's "avalanche of wrongness".
    ...

    Another key element of the Trump political style is the rate at which he changes subjects when whipping up his supporters – in one classic speech, The Washington Post counted 25 subjects in the space of five minutes. So quite often, he'll glance on an issue, just to get the lie out there.
    ...

    "The goal…is to sketch out a consistent system that is simple to grasp, one that both constructs and simultaneously provides an explanation for grievances against various out-groups.
    "It is openly intended to distort reality, partly as an expression of the leader's power. Its open distortion of reality is both its greatest strength and its greatest weakness."

    By this argument Trump is attempting to define a simple new reality that becomes an expression of his power, a reality that justifies his value system that seeks to change the value system of his audience.

    On the last two days of October, as Dale was collating 27 and 19 lies respectively, pollsters for The Washington Post-ABC News were polling Americans on questions of the candidates' honesty – and Trump now polls as more honest than Clinton, by eight points.

    Seems that that new reality of Trump's is working very well. Again, in searching for meaning, analysts light on what one calls American sentimentalism – "what moves the electorate is not true facts but true feelings." "



    Like Phony said earlier, "This info is out there but there's so much of it, it makes it a lot easier to digest and connect the dots when someone puts it together."

    Trump is 'putting it together' for lots of people in a way they can understand - it's just largely what he's putting together is lies and distortions, and the fact that they're lies doesn't seem to worry people. It's almost impossible to argue facts against 'feelings'.

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    A friend's FB post sums up why I voted for HC. Let's get this party started, wish me luck today/tomorrow!

    'Are you still undecided?
    If so, I’m re-posting my handy dandy list for you.
    (Haters go hate somewhere else, please)

    Is she perfect? No. Has she made mistakes? Sure she has, she’s human. But, this woman has busted her *** for the last 40+ years to try to make this world a better place and I think that counts for something. For these reasons, her many qualifications, her intellect, her temperament, and her ability to always get back up when she’s knocked down, #ImWithHer.

    In 1969 Hillary made an anti-establishment commencement speech at Wellesley College, where, as president of the student government, she had organized teach-ins on her opposition to the Vietnam War. It was the only commencement speech by a student to be published in LIFE magazine.

    In 1972, she worked for Marian Wright Edelman. Her assignment was to gather information about the Nixon Administration’s failure to enforce the legal ban on granting tax-exempt status to the private segregated academies that had sprung up in the South to avoid integrated public schools. As part of her investigation, she drove to Alabama and went undercover to meet an administrator to discuss enrolling her imaginary child and was assured that no black students would be enrolled. http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/28/us...tion.html?_r=0

    Also in 1972, she worked closely with well-respected union leader, Franklin Garcia, who took her under his wing as she helped register Latino voters in south Texas and along the Rio Grande Valley.

    Following her graduation from Yale Law School in 1973, Hillary Rodham spent a year conducting postgraduate work at the Yale Child Study Center, during which time she published a widely cited article in the Harvard Educational Review examining how children were viewed under the law, and offering significant proposals for reform.

    In August of 1974 Hillary moved to Arkansas to teach at the University of Arkansas School of Law.

    From 1974-1977 she was director of a Legal Aid Clinic at the University of Arkansas School of Law, providing legal services to the poor.

    From 1974-1977 and 1979-1980 she was also Assistant Professor of Law at the University of Arkansas School of Law.

    In 1977, Hillary co-founded and drew up the articles of incorporation for the Arkansas Advocates for Children and Families -- a group that for nearly four decades since has fought for expanded opportunities in early education, juvenile justice reform, increases in state funding for child health care and other major initiatives.

    As FLOTUS, Hillary assigned herself the task of ensuring that Bill kept his pledge to appoint more women and minorities than any previous president, to make his Administration “look like America.” She pressed him to fill half of the senior positions with women. And she urged her husband to make history by appointing the first woman to one of the big four cabinet posts.

    In 1995, she went to China against the will of several men in government both in the US and in China. Her infamous speech argued against abusive practices of women around the world and in the People's Republic of China itself. She declared that "that it is no longer acceptable to discuss women's rights as separate from human rights". Delegates from over 180 countries heard her say: "If there is one message that echoes forth from this conference, let it be that human rights are women's rights and women's rights are human rights. "

    She played a leading role in the development of State Children’s Health Insurance Program, which provides the much-needed state support for children whose parents cannot afford nor provide them with adequate healthcare coverage.

    She spearheaded investigations into mental illness plaguing veterans of the Gulf War; we now have a term for it – Gulf War Syndrome.

    She was also instrumental in the creation of the Adoption and Safe Families Act and the Foster Care Independence Act.

    She proposed a revival of the New Deal-era Home Owners’ Loan Corporation to help homeowners refinance their mortgages in the wake of the 2008 financial disaster

    Clinton also co-sponsored a bill reinforcing anti-discrimination and equal-pay requirements; specifically, to restore, reaffirm, and reconcile legal rights and remedies under civil rights statutes. The bill amended the Civil Rights Act of 1964 to establish discrimination based on disparate impact; and rights of action and recovery for unlawful discrimination. It also authorized civil actions in federal court for discrimination based on disability, and repealed provisions limiting the amount of compensatory and punitive damages that may be awarded in cases of intentional discrimination in employment.

    In terms of family planning and reproductive rights, Hillary has unwaveringly supported a woman's right to choose and has fought for access to family planning resources that would empower women to make their own decisions about their bodies. Her historic refrain that abortions should be "safe, legal and rare" should be the mantra for all leaders who want to make sure birth control is easily accessible for all women. She has publicly condemned the Supreme Court's Hobby Lobby ruling limiting birth control access for employees and strongly supports Planned Parenthood's work. Hillary has spoken in no uncertain terms in defense of Roe v. Wade, and sponsored legislation to reduce the number of abortions through access to birth control and sex education.

    Clinton introduced eight pieces of legislation with the clear purpose of expanding and protecting women’s access to reproductive health care.

    Clinton consistently co-sponsored and voted for legislation aimed at addressing the gender pay gap.

    She was instrumental in securing over $21 billion in funding for the World Trade Center redevelopment.

    She took a leading role in the investigation of health consequences of first responders and drafted the first bill to compensate and offer the health services our first responders deserve (Clinton’s successor in the Senate, Kirsten Gillibrand, passed the bill).

    As a U.S. senator, she worked with Republicans to expand health care for National Guard members and Reservists.

    Globally, no candidate has done more for women's rights than Secretary Clinton. In her time as Secretary of State, she appointed the first-ever Ambassador-at-Large for Global Women's Issues at the State Department; oversaw the creation of the U.S. National Action Plan on Women, Peace, and Security; and introduced the Global Health Initiative (GHI), investing $63 billion to help partner countries provide robust maternal and infant health services.

    Just months into her new position as secretary of State, she announced that gay diplomats would receive benefits similar to those received by their heterosexual counterparts, which they had previously been denied. Then, over the next four years at the State Department, she continued to push for lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender equality both at home and around the world. On Dec. 6, 2011, she gave a historic speech in Switzerland in which she declared, "Like being a woman, like being a racial, religious, tribal, or ethnic minority, being LGBT does not make you less human. And that is why gay rights are human rights, and human rights are gay rights.”

    She was a major proponent of sensible diplomacy which brought about a ceasefire between Hamas and Israel, and brokered human rights with Burma.

    And, at the Department of Justice, she helped create the office on Violence Against Women.

    So, you know, there’s that.
    #HillYes'

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    Please don't misunderstand I really do want her to win. I'm just sick to the stomach about this whole mess. I discovered today so many people I work with hate her and would vote for trump because he's "draining the swamp". Feel depressed.

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    For some reason BH won't let me 'thank' but that was a brilliant post Holly. Reading that list I can't help but think she should have been president rather than Bill. Sad that a female President was unthinkable then. Hopefully it's about to become reality now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sonja View Post
    Please don't misunderstand I really do want her to win. I'm just sick to the stomach about this whole mess. I discovered today so many people I work with hate her and would vote for trump because he's "draining the swamp". Feel depressed.
    Wtf does "draining the swamp" mean? Doesn't sound good...

    I hate it when people you previously got on fine with suddenly reveal themselves to have wildly different views to what you expected.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JustJaq View Post
    Wtf does "draining the swamp" mean? Doesn't sound good...

    I hate it when people you previously got on fine with suddenly reveal themselves to have wildly different views to what you expected.
    I know! Every election I pretty much stop talking to somebody

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    I've been scared to ask my dad who he's voting for, I'm 99.9% sure he wouldn't vote for Trump but I know he would tell me he was just to get under my skin!

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    And does anybody else think that when Trump looses that Melania will be filing for divorce?

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    Quote Originally Posted by HollyGolightly81 View Post
    And does anybody else think that when Trump looses that Melania will be filing for divorce?
    OMG, Yes! I was going to post that yesterday but I was worried it would sound nasty. I don't mean for it to sound nasty, I wouldn't wish divorce on anyone (having been through the experience). I would guess it would be within 2 years.


 

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