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    Default Unethical careers - spin off

    No one that I know seems to have a problem with my profession. People just loooooove saving tax. I do often think that the practice of minimising tax, even if it's done legitimately, is unethical.

    ETA - I also get plenty of clients asking me to do unethical things, constantly. Of course I don't do them

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    Actually I was just thinking that people might think my job in HR is unethical. I always have people telling me horror stories about their unethical HR people at their company. I'm lucky that my manager is highly ethical and is always willing to support me when I refuse to allow a manager to take a particular course of action which may be legal but is unfair and unethical to the employee.

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    For me, it's not so much an unethical job that would make me think less of the person, it's more if their morals and ethics are so far misaligned from my own, that I may reconsider the relationship. Not because I'm trying to just plain old judge them, more just that I try to keep company with similar values to my own and I might just consider it a mismatch. Not because I think less of them necessarily. I mean, there is a line that can be crossed where I would definitely think less of them, but for the most part I might just consider it not a good fit.

    People who are just trying to get a wage, or who do have good intentions (lawyers, defence people, RSL workers etc) I wouldn't judge for their jobs. That goes on their personality. But people who are in unethical jobs, and are just outright snakes, I am unlikely to socialise with.

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    As a teen I worked at a place that made us pierce new baby's ears. It was against my own morals, and the other person I worked with. When the boss wasn't there, we would refuse to do them.

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    Can I ask the lawyers out there - when defending someone on criminal charges, is the lawyer's job to try to do everything possible to get them off, or is it to try to get them a fair hearing? I've often wondered whether, if they've admitted to their lawyer that they're guilty, you are obliged to quit as their lawyer if they then plead not guilty or perjure themself in evidence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gentoo View Post
    Can I ask the lawyers out there - when defending someone on criminal charges, is the lawyer's job to try to do everything possible to get them off, or is it to try to get them a fair hearing? I've often wondered whether, if they've admitted to their lawyer that they're guilty, you are obliged to quit as their lawyer if they then plead not guilty or perjure themself in evidence.
    I was a criminal lawyer only for a few years and mainly did small crimes. The basic rule is no if a client tells you they're guilty you cannot lie to the court and assert their innocence. You can only put the prosecution to proof. This is an incredibly fine line and only the most experienced criminal lawyers would be able to do this.

    If a client tells you they're guilty we would usually advise them to plead guilty and negotiate the best sentence possible for them.

    If they still insisted on pleading not guilty we would advise them to seek another lawyer.

    It's not how it's presented in movies. Criminal law is actually very difficult and 9/10 not very interesting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by witherwings View Post
    No one that I know seems to have a problem with my profession. People just loooooove saving tax. I do often think that the practice of minimising tax, even if it's done legitimately, is unethical.

    ETA - I also get plenty of clients asking me to do unethical things, constantly. Of course I don't do them
    If you think as an accountant that minimising tax legally is unethical you are in the wrong job.

    To answer OP I don't really think any profession is unethical that is legal. I think some practices within a profession maybe unethical, but that generally is done by senior people and probably borders on legal.
    Like the banking industry which as a whole is fine but some practices within it are questionable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by witherwings View Post
    No one that I know seems to have a problem with my profession. People just loooooove saving tax. I do often think that the practice of minimising tax, even if it's done legitimately, is unethical.

    ETA - I also get plenty of clients asking me to do unethical things, constantly. Of course I don't do them
    I've had this debate with many people too. I'm actually a little bit on the fence with it myself if I'm honest. like for your usual mum and dad clients I have no issues with it. but when you think about big corporations, or companies that hurt our environment or big polluters, pursuing aggressive strategies to minimize tax, yeah I start to kind of think hold on, this seems like a grey area.

    even within the boundaries of the law, there is scope to be unethical.

    generally I think saving tax is fine, so long as it's done legally and you pay your fair share otherwise. only a fool would pay more tax than they need to.

    but for unethical companies I'm a little less tolerant. they should be paying more.

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    To me legal is different to ethical though.

    Everyone has different values and morals. Legal does not mean ethical. Especially since laws/legislation cannot keep up.

    Not long ago trolling was legal. Does that mean it's ethical?

    Eta - quoted the wrong person. Sorry TC!
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    yes I forgot to mention that in my post..I realize legal and ethical are not the same thing.

    I still don't believe it's unethical to utilize tax legislation to your own benefit.


 

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