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    I don't rate Judd at all to be honest. Friends and I met her at the races a couple of years ago and I found her to be rude and snobbish and a few 'tips' she gave once in an newspaper interview on keeping the love alive in your relationship were cringe worthy.

    So my point is - with her or others that post selfies - are they even considering that they could be perceived as a role model?? Do they want to be role models? Are they happy that they're role models?

    I personally have never looked at women in the media as role models especially with regards to appearance/body type/etc

    (I also don't have and never really had a lot of female friends, I don't do groups of women too well, I can't stand cliques, I can't deal with realty tv women - this could be a factor in to the above!?)

    I don't know whether it was influence from my own up bringing, the age (I'm 31), my personality type or what... but why or more so *who* has determined that she is a 'role model'...??? I certainly don't think she is a role model....

    I guess I feel that my job as a mother, whether that be of a son or daughter, is to model the behaviors I would expect my child to live by and form their beliefs, morals and ethics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HollyGolightly81 View Post
    And yes VP, you totally chose that skinny bikini pic of her because you weren't trying to make a point about her body type.
    For the 50,000,002 time I couldn't give a crap about her body type. She's a knob for posting selfies and a bad role model for focusing on her looks and encouraging others to do the same.
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    Quote Originally Posted by VicPark View Post
    For the 50,000,002 time I couldn't give a crap about her body type. She's a job for posting selfies and a bad role model for focusing on her looks and encouraging others to do the same.
    It's funny to me that you can't at least see your bias or perceived bias though. I get what you are saying about selfies. BUT, the point could have been made with a different selfie photo. And also without the plastic surgery comments.

    But, she was a model and brand rep before Instagram and selfies. She hasn't gotten 'famous' from selfies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VicPark View Post
    Yes I did. First of all I LOVE the photo in the blog. It's natural and not *too* posed, she's gorgeous and not trying to flog anything.

    And Judd does make some good points in the blog. However I think she has clearly missed the big picture. She shows no personal insight into how her actions are affecting other girls and women nor how they are contributing to the public firestorm she finds herself in. She complained about paparazzi pilfering her Instagram photos. Photos she PUBLICLY posted to PROMOTE herself and the causes she is paid to promote. Stubby short or a six pack.

    You asked about my bias. I have to ask - you live in WA. Do you know Judd personally? you seem rather invested in this thread.
    I completely understand the foundation of your beliefs, and I respect your opinion. The thing that I don't understand is making comments such as 'stubby short of a six pack'. I don't feel its fair to personally attack a womans intelligence based on a difference in choices, opinions or perceptions.That has been the core focus on all of my posts. Not the selfies, not the body image, but the personal judgements directed at others. I just feel as grown women we can have opinions and rally around each other without making derogatory statements.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jarylee View Post
    I completely understand the foundation of your beliefs, and I respect your opinion. The thing that I don't understand is making comments such as 'stubby short of a six pack'. I don't feel its fair to personally attack a womans intelligence based on a difference in choices, opinions or perceptions.That has been the core focus on all of my posts. Not the selfies, not the body image, but the personal judgements directed at others. I just feel as grown women we can have opinions and rally around each other without making derogatory statements.
    Thank you. This is the point I was making in the other thread.

    And no I don't know her. She left Perth before we moved here not that it's such a small place I'd come across her. I know people who did know her and said she's lovely.

    Before the thread i hadn't even read her Instagram.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HollyGolightly81 View Post
    It's funny to me that you can't at least see your bias or perceived bias though. I get what you are saying about selfies. BUT, the point could have been made with a different selfie photo. And also without the plastic surgery comments.

    But, she was a model and brand rep before Instagram and selfies. She hasn't gotten 'famous' from selfies.
    Seriously? I don't know of a selfie that could better epitomize what I'm trying to say - being so focused in your looks and encouraging others to do the same is dangerous for women's mental health.

    Please don't confuse bias with being steadfast in my view that Judd (although a good chick) is not a good role model. I am no more biased against Judd than you are biased for Judd.

    To me the fact that she was a model and brand rep before Instagram and selfies doesn't change my case - it strengthens it. She is peddling a focus on looks to women, which is a slippery slope.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jarylee View Post
    The thing that I don't understand is making comments such as 'stubby short of a six pack'. I don't feel its fair to personally attack a womans intelligence based on a difference in choices, opinions or perceptions.
    Yeah - the wording may have been a tad decorative due to being frustrated at the conversation. That being said I stand by the sentiments. It's not simply about a difference of choices or opinion though. I think Judd hasn't demonstrated as much emotional intelligence as other females 'role models' due to her failure to see the role her self promotion has played in the situation she's in. And the damage her self promotion is doing to girls and gender equality. It's not that she's different. It that her actions are potentially damaging and she just doesn't get it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VicPark View Post
    Seriously? I don't know of a selfie that could better epitomize what I'm trying to say - being so focused in your looks and encouraging others to do the same is dangerous for women's mental health.

    Please don't confuse bias with being steadfast in my view that Judd (although a good chick) is not a good role model. I am no more biased against Judd than you are biased for Judd.

    To me the fact that she was a model and brand rep before Instagram and selfies doesn't change my case - it strengthens it. She is peddling a focus on looks to women, which is a slippery slope.
    I'm not biased for her, I'd never really paid attention to her until the other thread. Just like PP just posted, my stance in this thread and the other has always been that I am not for judging other women in a derogatory way and I have been questioning why other women automatically do it even when it is not necessary, which is what happened in another thread with a completely innocent picture (and yes I believe it was innocent, she has since posted a picture where she definitely does not have makeup on so I don't necessarily believe she had makeup on in that picture or put it on for the picture). What's with the nasty comments almost immediately? I believe your's was along the lines that it was easy to look that nice after birth when you've had various plastic surgeries?

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    Quote Originally Posted by VicPark View Post
    She is peddling a focus on looks to women, which is a slippery slope.
    Below is what a friend of mine posted shortly after she'd attended a training seminar for a MLM beauty product company. I know it doesn't say anything specific to women but the product she was spruiking in the post is clearly marketed at women (in fact the whole MLM involved is).

    "Everybody knows our faces are our most important assest. Everybody says we need an awesome skin care. Most people Love our *** anti ageing and would it be ok to earn a big fat pay check??"

    I know MLMs are kind of down the extreme end of the scale in terms of using manipulative sales techniques, but this message underlies so much of what people who want to make money in selling beauty products say. It goes beyond makeup. Its the creams, potions, sprays, dyes, pills, lasers, surgeries and so on too.

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    Vp, I'm interested in what you think of this fashion blogger who is obviously making a living off of showcasing fashion on herself, reviewing it, etc.

    http://instagram.com/dresslikeamum


 

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