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    Quote Originally Posted by Gagingi View Post
    Sorry @Mongol but I'm not sure... Impaired glucose tolerance is common with PCOS, so from that perspective I imagine Inofolic is safe. I also have endo and aden, so it's fine with those conditions. It's hard to know. It would be good if you could see Wazza or Charlotte...
    Thanks I'll check with Dr Braverman and see what he has to say. I'll wing Wazza's office on Monday and get an appointment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by midnite01 View Post
    @Blossom74 my hubbie was taking ubiquinol concentrated form of coq10 good for mfi.
    Hi hun, may I ask where you get that coq10 from?

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    Quote Originally Posted by gorgeousgeorge View Post
    @Blossom74 this might help too, in europe, especially france, they have weird shaped toilet bowls, so that what you, eh-hem...leave behind is still clearly visiable, just sitting there. I was talking to another aussie over there about "wtf's with the weird toilets?". He said at one hotel, the butler asked if he would like a stick. He said "wtf for?" And the guy said, "so you can examine your faeces monsieur". So apparently its quite normal over there to "look back" and even have a poke around. Do you have french/european heritage? Maybe its genetic. Your future kids will be safe then. :-)
    Lmao!!!!! I'm French and never heard of this!!!
    Made my day!!

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    @Charlie74, just read your update.
    Quite a lot to take on...

    I like the fact that Wazza is giving u that lining trial tho.
    Wait & see, one step at a time...

    My thoughts are with u xxx

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mongol View Post
    But my nurse told me that every cycle is different and our bodies respond differently to the same drugs every time
    Just wanted to say Im proof of this theory even though I didn't believe it when I was in the middle of it all. Ive done 11 OE cycles and have had varied results every time, have done a variety of cycles and have added in growth hormone, dhea, ubiquinol etc. I had 2 very bad cycles after doing growth hormone and dhea (my worst cycles) but some women swear by them. Age was probably my issue but given you are 35 you will have much better odds and you're a normal responder so that is also on your side. Don't get me wrong, Im not suggesting not trying different things but I think that its very difficult to know what works in the end for someone as there are so many factors involved, not just the different protocols. I do think lifestyle stuff is important also, so if you think acupuncture helps you then do it, even though it may or may no be the "answer".

    One thing i will add also is that even though my egg numbers varied, my embryo numbers didn't especially change, I either got 1 or 2 to day 5 and that was whether I had 1 egg or 6 so its something to also keep in mind. just because a particular cycle yields more eggs doesn't mean it will be a better result when it comes to embryos.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlondeinBrisvegas View Post
    Ok...now that I have a minute to respond to you finally!!

    Firstly, you could change your FSH to either: Puregon or Menopur or Elonva instead of Gonal-F.

    You could also do a combination of Puregon+Menopur (which is what I did in Cycle 5) or Gonal-F + Menopur, Elonva + a top up of either Menopur/Gonal-F or Puregon (not sure if they use Luveris to top up with???).

    You could change the Orgalutran for Cetrotide (I used Cetrotide on both Cycles 4 and 5) and change the Ovidrel for a Pregnyl Trigger instead which might help to get more mature eggs at EPU. Definitely make sure they're aspirating all the bloody follicles and removing all the eggs too FFS's!!! That's what you're paying them for!!!!

    Yes, some eggs will be immature, but if some eggs are close to being mature, then there's always the chance they *might* mature in the dish in the lab (it's happened to my eggs before). As for how many days you stim. It does vary according to how your ovaries respond. Some women may stim for 10/11 days, others may go for 11/12/13 days. Obviously you don't want to be going for 20 days as I would imagine that would compromise your egg quality....A good question for Wazza methinks!!!

    As for Luveris/LH levels...yes they should be being monitored via BT's through your stimming Cycle. Wazza was going to add Luveris when I was doing Cycle 4 (I did a combination of Gonal-F and Menopur which does have a little bit of LH in it already as has been mentioned) but my levels were good so I didn't need anymore. Too much of that stuff (like anything) isn't good for the developing egg either so it's important that regular BT's are done in the Cycle as well as scans too. You could also try adding HGH (Human Growth Hormone) to your Cycle for egg quality as well. Some women swear by it, others (like myself), feel as though it doesn't make much difference (tried it on Cycle 4 though I do feel it may have helped for Cycle 5 as the effects stay in your system for a few months or so afterwards). It's bloody exxy though I do believe you can get some $ back if you have PHI.

    Wazza does get you to do the FSH on alternative days and he also gets you to split the dose morn/night as he believes that promotes more even and uniform follicle growth. For eg. One day I would do 300IU of Puregon. 150IU at 7.30am in the morn and 150IU at 7.30pm at night (I aimed to do it roughly 12 hrs later but you could do it give or take a couple of hrs either way). I'm what they call a "normal responder". The next day I would do the same with Menopur. The following day the Puregon. The next, Menopur and so on and so forth.

    Are you a "poor responder" Luv hence the higher dose of FSH?? On my first Cycle with Wazza (Cycle 4) I did a super dooper high FSH dose (600IU) but it made fruck all difference to egg numbers for me so told him I wanted to dial it back down to a lower dose for my next Cycle. Was happy to have tried it in my "leaving no stone unturned" quest, but for me a higher dose wasn't helpful like it is for some women. What dosages have you tried in the past????

    What protocols have you also tried?? Long down regs?? Flare?? You could try the AACEP protocol like I did to see how that would go???
    This is such useful info, thanks for taking out the time to write this. I sure know a lot more now and can ask my new FS about all possibilities. I am a normal/average responder as last cycle I got 13 eggs (6 of those were mature), and this cycle I got 6 eggs (2 of those were mature). My FS tried higher does this time as he said lets get more eggs out of you. Who knew I'll actually get less! Last time I think tried Gonal f 300 and this time it was increased to 400. Im still looking for my papers from last cycle so I can confirm what dose I took last time. My current FS knows it as the previous clinic gave him all the details.
    I have only ever tried an Antagonist cycle with Gonal f, orgalutran and ovidrel as trigger. This time Luveris and Neupogen were added on top of these. I don't even know about these other types of protocols

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    Quote Originally Posted by tuxcat View Post
    Just wanted to say Im proof of this theory even though I didn't believe it when I was in the middle of it all. Ive done 11 OE cycles and have had varied results every time, have done a variety of cycles and have added in growth hormone, dhea, ubiquinol etc. I had 2 very bad cycles after doing growth hormone and dhea (my worst cycles) but some women swear by them. Age was probably my issue but given you are 35 you will have much better odds and you're a normal responder so that is also on your side. Don't get me wrong, Im not suggesting not trying different things but I think that its very difficult to know what works in the end for someone as there are so many factors involved, not just the different protocols. I do think lifestyle stuff is important also, so if you think acupuncture helps you then do it, even though it may or may no be the "answer".

    One thing i will add also is that even though my egg numbers varied, my embryo numbers didn't especially change, I either got 1 or 2 to day 5 and that was whether I had 1 egg or 6 so its something to also keep in mind. just because a particular cycle yields more eggs doesn't mean it will be a better result when it comes to embryos.
    Thanks hun for sharing, thats interesting. I guess our bodies are strange. There could be so many unknown factors at play. I'll see what my new FS suggests. I admire your strength for doing 11 OE cycles.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Charlie74 View Post
    @Chiefsgirl no hon u didn't miss my update.. I've just not had the energy to try & type it.

    So basically Wazza is doing a trial cycle with me to see how my lining goes. He was really concerned about my lining, and spoke to us about surrogacy. Which I think is probably a bridge too far for us... It just feels like it's grasping at straws & is going too far. Oh & according to Wazza it costs around $30K in lawyers fees just to do contracts (even if say your sister or best friend offered to do it).

    So starting with my next AF, I have to have a scan day 2, & if lining is thin enough (the irony!), then he will tell me to start meds. Over 12 days I'll be doing a combo of aspirin, nitrodur patch, oral progynova, PV progynova, Ethinyl oestradiol, sandrena gel, viagra pessaries, Trental, Vit E, and from day 6 I'll do 150iu of gonal F.
    I'll fly up on day 12 so Wazza can scan me. And see whether he thinks my lining is useable. He said there's no way he would have transferred our embryo with my lining JUST at 6 on cd 8 like Monash did. I really feel so angry now with Monash & my doc there who's name I don't even want to type. I feel like she completely dropped the ball with me. She let me take Trental for 6 months.. Then didn't even control my ovulation so we could grow out my lining as much as possible. Care factor zero I guess?

    So if he can get my lining to a thickness he's happy with,the we'll do an IVF cycle with him. And he talked us thru what he'd do. He said bcos I have a high AMH & no PCOS, we have a 7-10% chance of success. If not. Well I guess that's it for us. We'll be childless.

    That stupid, useless, greedy frucking Mole!!!! Oh, I feel like knocking her into next week for you Luv, I really do!!! I'm so frucking angry on your behalf about her incompetence!!!!

    I'm so very sorry you've wasted a precious embryo because of her and her incompetence and strongly urge you to write a complaint to the Head W*ank who runs Monash explaining she dropped the frucking ball bigtime ("Miss frucking FS to the Stars" should've known better and none of that should've happened to you on that Cycle Luv. Transfer should not have gone ahead!!!).

    You should also write a complaint to the governing body (the Ombudsmen I think??) of IVF too (assuming Monash will do bugger all to sort it out) or you can contact the Fertility Society of Australia or Access Australia for further direction (if you want to take things further Luv). It won't get you your precious emby back but it might get you your $ back so you can keep going on with Wazza and help take the financial load off you and your DP's shoulders!!!!

    Am glad Wazza's got a plan He's not one to give in easily nor without trying every single trick up his sleeve either Luv!!! If anyone's going to get you over the line he will!!! The fact that the hopeless Mole got you up to 6mm's is encouraging I reckon Luv, so I think you're in with a really good chance of getting it higher to where Wazza wants it to be

    7-10% chance it better than 0% Luv so you take that and you hang on to that hope because that's pretty much about all the chance he gives or has given most of us too ok???

    Am and starting up the prayers now to start things off in the right direction!!!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maxwellsmum View Post
    Okay so this has to be said - this roll call is getting out of hand. At one point I thought it was a good idea but now I just feel well sorry for BIB who has to manage this all on her own.

    Not to mention the randoms who are popping in wanting to get added to it. Yes it's an open thread but you can't tell me 300 people post regular on this thread. I don't even know who some of the names are on the roll call

    I vote that the roll calls just becoming out of hand and it's time to go ...Roll Call.

    PS you should see what happens when you copy and paste it. It looks like an algebra formula or a scientific equation. It's not right.


    Could not agree more @Maxwellsmum.

    I don't know who half these people are!

    Personally, I think that unless you're posting regularly and contributing to the group you shouldn't be on the Roll Call at all.

    It either needs a serious culling, or to be deleted completely. It's not fair on BIB to have to deal with what was originally a nice little summary of our regulars

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