From a less "medical" point of view, I consulted a naturopath about my losses (miscarriage x 1, chemical x 1), and started a strictly gluten and dairy free diet for a few months. I concentrated on nutrient density in diet so for example, instead of replacing a wheat based meal with a "GF" substitute, I'd go for vegetable and meat or fish based meal. Even for breakfast. I also started a whole food, organic multivitamin and fish oil daily. Stress reduction techniques, a solid 9 hours sleep at night (whenever possible). A whole "lifestyle overhaul".
Anyway after about 3-4 months of this I felt better than ever (previously having suffered allergies, asthma, random aches and pains, exhaustion and more), we conceived and are now 6 months along in a normal, uneventful pregnancy. I've also been able to quit the restrictive diet with no ill effects.
All the best, I know how hard it is the "not knowing" and I hope you find a path that works for you x
Oh! Edit to add, I also took Vitex (chasteberry tree) for the first trimester for progesterone support
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23-08-2016 08:02 #11
23-08-2016 08:35 #12
Unexplained Chemical Pregnancies
@Ashjay, so sorry you're going through this. I'm also wondering if the tests I've had done are enough. I had a heap done earlier in the year due to 4 5-7 week miscarriages, results came back as having insulin resistance (sensitivity?).
I actually have no idea what else they tested me for so will be calling up this week to ask as we're currently ttc again.
Above posts have given some great advice re testing and I might push for the NK one as well.
@Summer, your post was especially interesting. I'm positive that as soon as I get a bfp, I'm going to be put on progesterone and your post has officially freaked me out! But at the same time, I can't maintain a pregnancy naturally it seems so what have I got to lose?!
Sorry, I feel like I've hijacked this post a little. Miscarriage/chemicals are super super ****
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23-08-2016 08:43 #13
@BABYG I hear you on the hope thing! with every faint BFP I get I'm so hopeful - I think though now have learnt to not be too hopeful for at least another few days - that's always the tell all for me.
Good luck with your bloodwork when you do it. I hope it has some answers for you.
@Summer, how are NK cells tested in your uterus? Biopsy or something? That's really interesting about the progesterone stuff, I've never heard that before. i've never had an issue with progesterone, but fertility specialist has put me on them many of times. I've had about 6 chemical's while using progesterone support, and 8 without so regardless of extra progesterone I still have a chemical.
Best of luck with your exploration of is all. I would be keen to hear how it all goes for you.
Oh with my FET's I also take progynova, baby aspirin and prednisone aswell.
@BornToBe congratulations on your pregnancy! Do you credit that to the diet you were on? Somewhere in the last 5yrs of trying, we went to a naturopath aswell and tried a new diet and other supplements for 6 months. Still got pregnant about 3 times in that time, still ended in chemical. I just feel like everything I do new or the same, ends the same way, and will continue to do so until I find out why. Just s***s cause everything is coming back normal!
@MrsDL - not highjacking at all! Feel free to comment for sure! Sorry to hear about your losses. They go further than mine interstingly enough. I don't ever get past 5 weeks. I would also ask to have your's and DH's chromosomes tested if it hasn't been done already. It's one common reason for early losses. As I said above too, I've conceived and lost more times on my natural progesterone levels than with extra, so try not to worry about it too much.
23-08-2016 15:29 #14
@Ashjay yes it is a uterine biopsy, although I think there are various NKC to test for so I'm waiting to find out off Dr M what exactly needs doing so I don't waste a biopsy on not checking everything.
The progesterone thing is just a stab in the dark for me, I have no idea if it is a thing or I'm just grasping at straws - a sensitivity to it is rare but is a thing. I've only ever had chems with progesterone support, but got to 6-10 weeks without it. None of my pregnancies had immune support so that is untested at this point. An hoping I fall pregnant again very soon to do the immune support without extra progesterone if it's not needed.
24-08-2016 08:00 #15
@Summer I hope your doc can shed some light on your testing for you. Have you asked them about the progesterone thing? Your past experience with it is certainly something to think about! Are you actively trying now without prog support?
24-08-2016 08:30 #16
Hi OP, so sorry to hear of your struggles.
My DF and I had been trying for just over two years, and are now 6 months pregnant.
Over those two years, I suffered two miscarriages before 7 weeks, one missed miscarriage at 10 weeks and 6 chemical pregnancies.
My GP tested me for a few things, all came back normal.
I ended up seeing a naturopath and took a huge range of things including vitex and low dose aspirin and that's the month we fell pregnant and are still pregnant. Not sure whether it was the concoction of all the herbs/ supplements or the aspirin (which I'm now taking up until birth), but something worked that month.
I really hope you get some answers soon! Unexplained in my opinion, is worse than not knowing. At least if there's a reason you can work on "fixing" it. Xo
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25-08-2016 12:08 #17
I am old though, so have a lot of factors against me, but I am falling pregnant with chems very regularly, so something is trying to happen.
So yes, we are still trying and if I did happen to fall pregnant again I would use immune support (clexane, prednisone, baby aspirin, activated B vitamins) without progesterone unless my levels were low enough to indicate I had to have it. That's if I fell before having a consult with Dr M as once I have that then I would have a tailor made protocol. I was prescribed the above plus progesterone if I did fall pregnant, but have never had the opportunity to trial that protocol as the first thing I've always done is a progesterone pessary straight away at the first sign of a line, and then it's faded out so I haven't ever started on prednisone and clexane by themselves without progesterone.
As I said, it is only a theory and is pretty rare - but something strange is happening so I will keep investigating!
25-08-2016 12:10 #18
PS. I have done the full gluten-free, dairy-free, nutrient dense, supplements, herbs etc - every naturopathic protocol possible. I conceive easily, even at my age, so something is working, but there is obviously something else that's missing. It could just be old eggs, but no matter what, even if we go to donor eggs this will need to be sorted out.
29-08-2016 13:10 #19
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29-08-2016 16:17 #20
Unexplained Chemical Pregnancies
Just had my second chemical.. Both from IVF no other pregnancies/chemicals or miscarriages... Had everything tested..
My last one I am convinced was from progesterone but this time I had my BT at 15dpo and numbers were good with progesterone at 24.4 and on progesterone support and started bleeding that evening... So frustrating..
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