Was raised catholic but never believed in it.
My parents aren't very catholic either it was just something they did. They don't go to church or anything now we are older, they have stopped pretending lol.
I wish I could believe in something, I imagine it would be very comforting in dark moments. And I envy the community that religion creates.
But I'm just too logical. It makes no sense to me.
Ps the only priest I liked ended up being convicted for child sexual assaults. So go figure.
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12-08-2016 13:12 #11
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12-08-2016 13:31 #12
You're brave OP! I totally steer away from religious debates :-)
I am profoundly and regretfully atheist. I am super envious of those with religious beliefs. I have a phobia of dying that would cripple me if I didn't work very hard to keep it bay.
I do say the Lord's Prayer on repeat when I'm about to fly though - from the moment the plane starts taxiing until the seatbelt light goes off. It's a compulsion and I have to do it.
I also had a moment in a cathedral in Austria when I said a little 'prayer' because I was really struggling with the fact that I had agreed never to have children. It was something like 'if it's meant to happen, please let it'. I put no stock in it, it just meant I was able to let it go a little bit. Then, a little over a year later I became pregnant and no one could figure out how. That gave me cause to pause.
I can get onboard with some kind of benevolent energy who watches over us, but I'm afraid nothing will ever make me believe that Hell exists. As I understand it, it's a package deal though...
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12-08-2016 13:33 #13
I'm an atheist. I wasn't raised in a religious family, although there were definitely cultural elements of Christianity in my upbringing.
As a teenager, I would have been a bit like the guy you mentioned in your OP. These days I understand that it's more important to be respectful to others than to be 'right'. I love a religious debate, and don't for a moment believe that religious beliefs deserve any special respect or freedom from criticism. Individuals deserve respect though, and unless someone has willingly entered into a debate with me, I'm not going to go into it.
To me, atheism is important, because it's the conclusion that is most logical/reasonable to me based on the available evidence...and evidence/observation of the universe around us is something that - to me - is critical to understanding and appreciating the amazing natural world.
12-08-2016 13:59 #14
Re: second paragraph, does this mean technically you're an agnostic, as you can't definitely say that you don't think there isn't a higher power? I get where you're coming from. I think that I feel the same way. And I guess I sometimes "pray" for lack of a better word, in terms of sending out positive thoughts and thankfulness in relation to specific circumstances, but it's not really to a deity as such.
12-08-2016 14:30 #15
Your last point is spot on though. Religion is personal. And it should be kept that way. When it imposes on politics and government in a secular country like Australia, that's when it stops being personal. And when zealots attack innocent people in the name of relifon, it stops being personal. And when highly regarded members of the church abuse those who put their trust in them, it stops being personal. All these things make religion very public and that's why non-religious people get up in arms about it. I have zero issues with people who are religious. I have huge issues with religion due to the reasons I have given.
Not intended as a debate, just a bit of perspective as to why some atheists can get a bit OTT (and I totally acknowledge many are OTT. It rarely has the same impact as OTT religious people though).
12-08-2016 14:46 #16
I'm not religious at all. People have the right to believe in whatever they like however personally l think it's all a crock of sh!t.
12-08-2016 14:58 #17
I was raised Christian, baptised and educated Catholic. Like a PP I felt like some imposter in mass and religion classes. Even as a young child, maybe 7 or 8 I thought this is ridiculous!
I consider myself atheist, but like Harvs I actually wish there was something there as I'm terrified of death. I believe that's part of the reason religion was invented - to help explain death and help us deal with it.
I'm actually not bothered by religious people in the least, unless they force their beliefs on others - and this includes fighting against same sex marriage. Denying two people in love the right of marriage bc *you* find it morally wrong is most certainly forcing your beliefs on others.
And there are jerks in every demographic that exists. Unfortunately there are jerk Atheists out there
12-08-2016 15:03 #18
In and ask them 1000 questions ( is it true you can't drink, is it true you have to convert certain amount of people, how do you handle that personally, how does your mum feel about it? how do you feel about other religions etc!) I ask as I am totally amazed at their dedication and I am honestly intrigued but obviously have no intention of converting , I used get them all the time but they don't seem to come around here any more! I've also found the best way to get rid of religious people trying to convert you is to say your Jewish, they never bother trying then but I think if you say your atheist they seem to enjoy the challenge and think you need saving
12-08-2016 15:05 #19
@Moxy, I completely agree with everything you've said. Although, I can't blame religion per se for the people who choose to use it to justify horrible things, or because they abuse their power. I have a problem with people using religion to justify their hate/attacks/horridness. I have a problem with people claiming that the religious texts are the word of God, who deny that they were written by humans with an agenda (of whatever sort), and often not at the time of the events discussed, and then changed through interpretation.
I don't have an issue with religious discussion, though I do have a problem with people trying to convert people who've shown no interest.
I also agree that religion and government/politics should be kept separate.
I also hate that people attack people and say it is in the name of their religion. Generally, most religions hold that you should be kind to each other (ignoring all of the stuff that then contradicts that in writings). I also pointed out to said friend's hubby that plenty of atrocities had been commited without any claim to a religious basis, he initially tried to deny it. He also denied that atheists could get OTT.
Actually, there are a lot of issues I have. And I don't think I can articulate them half as well as you have. And quite probably some of the issues I have are due to lack of understanding or knowledge.
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12-08-2016 15:07 #20
Having been raised and educated religious, then living my adult life on the other side of the fence there are huge double standards.
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