Fwiw, Jill Maher's killer was caught on CCTV but it didn't stop her from being murdered.
How absurd. Nanny state indeed.
Eta: CCTV provides a false sense of security. And is open to abuse.
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28-07-2016 07:03 #31
Security of day care facilities
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28-07-2016 07:33 #32
28-07-2016 08:22 #33
If you are worried about daycare centres, then you will be shocked at "security" at schools. When we lived in Canberra no schools had fences. The horror. The school my kids are at has a fence, BUT the gates are always open. Strangely enough kids are not going missing on a regular basis. I am aware of one attempted abduction but it was related to a child custody dispute and procedures the school had in place were sufficient to stop it from happening.
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28-07-2016 12:12 #34Senior Member
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28-07-2016 13:01 #35
When my eldest was a baby, the centre he was in had none of this. It was in what clearly used to be a house. It had standard 1200 high fences out the front but the gate was generally open. You had to walk down a path next to the house and enter via the back door that was on some decking, and the side path had a pool fence type gate on it. But you just walked into the house and there may or may not be someone at the desk (old kitchen bench). There were often times I would be standing there for 5-10 minutes, waiting for someone. The kids were in the "next room" but it was pretty open plan so I can see them and probably easy grab one.
This was in a Western Sydney suburb near a train station so not particularly great area too. But I had a million problems with that centre so we left anyway.
Where I am now, my youngest 3 go to preschool. It has two entrances, one from the street. You go through a pool fence/gate to the outdoor area and then into the room. The other entrance is from the school quadrangle. It's a little country school so there is very minimal fencing there at all. Only 5 kids attend though (3 being mine) so it would be very very easy to spot someone taking a kid.
I'm not a big fan of cctv in terms of deterring crime. If they are going to take the kid, cctv won't stop them. Think about how many "cctv footage of kidnap" videos you see online/telly. It clearly didn't stop them.
I can't really picture what you mean by the fences but I agree that if you feel it isn't suitable, find an alternative arrangement. Why have no other parents complained about it?
28-07-2016 17:56 #36TTC#2 with PCOS
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I agree that cctv wont stop sickos like the pos that murdered Jill Maher or those little kids but it goes a huge way to catching/prosecuting people. There was a girl murdered in toowoomba or somewhere near there a while ago and they caught the killers car on cctv so were able to place him in the area. I hope nothing ever happens to all of our babes but at the end of the day in the real world bad **** happens all of the time so i am all for cctv everywhere but our homes and tbh with all of the crime relating to dv its probably needed in some homes too!!!!
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28-07-2016 18:58 #37Member
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My childcare center must not be the norm. It is downstairs under a 24/7 gym so you have to go through 2 keypads to get in. Then the yard has a 8 foot high fence around it with full cctv as it is also a 24/7 gym.
When my DP went to get our daughter once, they called me to make sure it was really him as it was out of the ordinary.
29-07-2016 07:09 #38
Totally your call op in terms of where you send your child, but to be honest the police officer was simply providing the facts, which is that cctv doesn't deter offenders from committing crimes. Given most day are centres run on extremely tight budgets and would likely need to pass on fees charged to parents for major security upgrades, I think that they're doing the right thing by asking for a professional assessment of where improvements can be made and following this advice. I also think that the whole "security" industry has a lot to answer for, they often use scare tactics to frighten people who can least afford them into buying security products when they are well aware that they don't necessarily reduce crime. I think cctv has its place, don't get me wrong. But having it everywhere is an unnecessary cost that society shouldn't have to bear.
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