@GucciDahling, thank you for that honest heartfelt post.
For my part, I'm not scared of terrorism. It's statistically so unlikely. Horrible when it does happen of course - but thankfully very unlikely to happen. Like that plane fuselage falling out of the sky in Donnie Darko.
What is a bigger threat for me, and what I am increasingly worried about for me and my family, is what seems to be the upswing in bigotry and intolerance generally.
I'm more afraid of bigots than terrorists.
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19-07-2016 21:39 #131
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19-07-2016 21:41 #132
19-07-2016 21:49 #133
When the logical and unafraid among us post rational, logical posts, it brings me straight back to this side!
I'm afraid of bigots too! I'm more afraid of angry reclaim Australia bigots, than I am of my Former Muslim neighbours who spent time watching their kids ride bikes in the street, who had parties, who had friends over, exactly like my family did growing up.
And THAT's why we need to have these conversations. So we can be reminded of the facts, in amongst the fear. And clear rational thought can prevail.
We shouldn't mock people's fear - even SK's - because it doesn't actually achieve anything. But gentle reminders of the facts can and does shift viewpoints, over time. I hope...
19-07-2016 22:02 #134
19-07-2016 22:04 #135
J37, I wasn't able to find a good breakdown of those figures for the number of Australians killed in terrorist attacks, but I did find this Crikey article with more information - it's interesting reading.
From my Googling, I suspect the 113 figure includes the Bali Bombing victims, but not the MH17 victims (38 of them) - I suspect the figures given were mid-2014 figures for Australians killed by terrorists in Australia and overseas. It seems to get a bit complicated sometimes by some figures including citizens and residents, and some just citizens too.
19-07-2016 22:05 #136Senior Member
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I'm still unsettled and scared. And @Sonja, if you and your family have cancelled your plans to go to Europe, then you must be too, surely. Else that doesn't make sense.
The thing that really had me rattled about Nice is that loads of Australians go there for a holiday, and most would take a stroll down the "Promenade des Anglaises". I know I have/did. It's a very popular tourist destination, not a poor war-torn African nation. So these days, I don't think you can really say that being caught up in a terrorist attack is "extremely unlikely".
As for 9/11 being the most atrocious act of terror we are likely to see in our lifetimes, I'm happy (well, not happy obviously) to stand by that statement. Not necessarily in terms of lives lost/people injured (although there were many), but the calculated nature in which it caused absolute terror - indescribable terror - and maximum and concentrated destruction, injury and death.
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19-07-2016 22:12 #137
That Crikey article is really worth a read.
More Australians have died in the last 10 years from falling off ladders or falling out of bed than have died in terrorist attacks in Australia or abroad.
"The point of all these numbers isn’t to cavalierly dismiss the threat of terrorism. It is a real threat, which has claimed the lives of over 100 Australians in recent decades. But many, many other things that we can also prevent kill many more of us, and particularly target people the media and politicians have less interest in, like indigenous people, the elderly or victims of domestic violence. If the focus of policymakers should be on the lives and wellbeing of Australians, terrorism should be far down the list of their priorities.
Yet, politicians only have to say the word “terrorism” for Australians, and especially the media, to abandon all reason and demand “whatever it takes” to “keep Australia secure”. The vague and trivial threat of being killed by an evil ideological force — unWestern, non-white, non-English speaking, unChristian — pushes our buttons in a way that far greater threats to our lives — “normal” homicide, domestic violence, preventable diseases and accidents — that kill many, many more Australians and cause persistent economic losses, do not."
19-07-2016 22:18 #138Senior Member
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19-07-2016 22:21 #139
My reason for not taking the kids to Europe (specifically France) is because I believe that France is going to experience some very bad times over the next few years. That will target and be specific to France. We were thinking of going to France and Spain. If the proverbial hits the fan in France I don't want to be caught up in it. I was in Germany when the Balkan war erupted and living through one humanitarian crisis is enough for my life time.
But I'm not scared living my day to day life in Australia. And we still travel to Asia (real Asia not Bali) so it doesn't limit how I live my life. I wouldn't go to the Middle East for a holiday. But that doesn't mean I live in fear.
19-07-2016 22:59 #140
And as for not making fun of SK, it's out of frustration. If she's genuinely scared then fine. Say "I'm scared about what's happening in the world and what it means for Australia. I'm scared about being caught up in a terrorist attack. I want to learn more about why this is happening. I want to understand. I want to be part of the solution."
If one more person tells me to ban Muslim immigration I swear I'll scream. It breaches so many human rights conventions and treaties. What about home grown terrorists? Where do we "send them back" to? Melbourne?
If she doesn't want to be ridiculed don't make ridiculous statements.
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