I'm not sure
As for the Senate, still trying to work out preferences. We dont have a massive amount of options so I have to work out who is less horrible for prefs 11-12
I am looking forward to my democracy snag! We'll make a morning of it with the kids.
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01-07-2016 12:04 #91
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01-07-2016 12:21 #92
01-07-2016 12:28 #93
No but I think its a much better step than doing nothing or spending money on something that is divisive and not even binding.
01-07-2016 12:44 #94
The last plebiscite in Australia took 7 years to implement. Either way I'm sure they'll stretch it as long as possible.
01-07-2016 13:53 #95
01-07-2016 15:46 #96
Off to vote now - our pre polling closes at 6pm so decided I would get it out of the way. One more night is not going to make one candidate look better all of a sudden!
01-07-2016 18:26 #97-
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They should do their darn jobs and pass the darn legislation in parliament at minimal cost to the public.
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01-07-2016 18:32 #98
01-07-2016 18:56 #99
1 - The Plebiscite.
It cannot be a referendum, if they are going to ask the people for their opinion on whether or not they want changes to the marraige act - it will be a plebiscite. A referendum is a vote to change the constitution. As the Marraige Act is an act of Parliament, not part of the constitution, we cannot have a referendum.
Parliament is our law making body. We elect members to Parliament and they choose to enact laws as they see fit. We do not actually have a mechanism (besides a general election) to require Members to enact specific legislation.
Therefore a plebiscite is non-binding. However, you would think that if we have a national vote, the lawmakers would consider themselves mandated to follow the outcome.
Personally, I dont think there should be a plebiscite. They should just do the right thing and enact the legislation. There JOB.
2 - the Deficit.
Delirium is perfectly correct when she said that the deficit is significantly higher under Liberals than it was under Labor. Witherwings is also correct that when the Libs left power we had a large surplus, and Kevin Rudd spent a bunch of it in his first term.
However - it didnt really matter who was in government at that time - whoever it was would have spent the money, and put us into deficit. The spending is what kept us out of the global recession that everyone else had. (well that and the mining boom).
Spending the money was responsible government and Labor did the right thing by spending it (even though I disagreed with what they spent it on - but that is another matter).
The major spend, together with the recession and global economic difficulties since have meant a shrinking tax take .... so the government (whoever has been in power) has committed to various spending ahead of time, but receives less and less income in tax revenues ... so the deficit grows.
Yes that means that it will grow more in later governments ... because there is interest on that deficit. They have not reigned in spending (either party) to the same extent that the tax revenue has shrunk.
This isnt party politics - its macro economics.
The worry is that the Liberal government has promised a tax cut to companies ... in the time when we really desperately need MORE government funds, not less. Our education and health sectors are crumbling, welfare and services also spiraling out of control ... and the government wants to cut spending even more and give a tax cut.
Its a bit odd.
(Having said that - I will still vote Liberal, as I always have )
01-07-2016 19:00 #100Senior Member
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Just went through the senate parties in QLD. Struggled to find 6 I was happy with. But I got there in the end!
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