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    Quote Originally Posted by AceOfBase View Post
    @BlondeinBrisvegas oh yes, I've seen there is a Wazza appreciation thread. I don't want to derail this thread either but had to acknowledge that there are great FSs out there

    Too true Luv, as is yours whomever he is

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    Quote Originally Posted by AceOfBase View Post
    @Maxwellsmum you are so right, people just don't know what to do/say when someone is going through IVF. Sometimes if you don't have anything good to say, don't say anything at all is the best approach. As Mary Coustas said, nothing good comes out of giving up!
    @AceOfBase But I think there comes a time when women/couples decide to move on or change tact. I don't think people should be encouraged to flog a dead horse either, especially if it puts them into debt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AceOfBase View Post
    @Maxwellsmum you are so right, people just don't know what to do/say when someone is going through IVF. Sometimes if you don't have anything good to say, don't say anything at all is the best approach. As Mary Coustas said, nothing good comes out of giving up!

    My heart goes out to those who have to due to I think mainly financial reasons where there's just no more $ for them to continue.

    Or for others where the Donor path, for whatever reason, isn't a viable option for them, same for adoption. It's frucked for those people

    I/we would've been one of those people if we hadn't of been successful. We almost were. Our last Cycle was our second last attempt.

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    Default Four Corners tonight - fertility treatments

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    Last I looked I'm a tax payer and so is my partner! I've just watched the first ten minutes and it is very much concentrating on over 40's which is going tobe pretty dire. The programme does seem to be turd picking the stats and case studies.

    Having said that I think there does need to be more regulation to stop the unscrupulous FS's from taking advantage and doing the wrong thing by these people and emptying their bank accounts. There have been a lot of people on bub hub who have been burnt. Every FS I spoke to at Genea and RPA was crystal clear about my chances, the first thing they did was whip out the age/success chart. I think I went from 20% when I was 38 yrs old to 10% when I was 40 and then 5% when I was 42.
    I agree, they did seem to purposely pick the worst case scenarios for the show. I thought it was going to focus on over 40s at first too but then they whipped out the younger couple who had been trying for a long time too. I think the program lacked balance. Sure there are sad cases like the people featured but there are equally a lot of success stories, and a lot of good doctors out there too, all of whom seemed to be ignored in this program.

    I will say, I'm glad the guy who is the head of the ART council (or whatever that body is called) is not my doctor, he didn't inspire much confidence!
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    Quote Originally Posted by BlondeinBrisvegas View Post
    Too true Luv, as is yours whomever he is
    Mine was Dr Antony Lighten. He said we were his 19th success in a row (he's had many other successes, but this was his longest winning streak)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bongley View Post
    @AceOfBase But I think there comes a time when women/couples decide to move on or change tact. I don't think people should be encouraged to flog a dead horse either, especially if it puts them into debt.
    Yep, totally valid point here. If a person/couple has the will and money to keep going then they should, but everything must have its end point, as sad as that might be

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlondeinBrisvegas View Post
    My heart goes out to those who have to due to I think mainly financial reasons where there's just no more $ for them to continue.

    Or for others where the Donor path, for whatever reason, isn't a viable option for them, same for adoption. It's frucked for those people

    I/we would've been one of those people if we hadn't of been successful. We almost were. Our last Cycle was our second last attempt.
    Yep, another valid point too. You try your hardest to do what you can when you want something so badly, but as we know, we have to stop at some time. We were on the path to giving up too, I had gotten rid of 10 years worth of baby stuff only months before our Bub was conceived as I was trying to mentally prepare myself for giving up our dream. We couldn't keep going for too much longer with finances and age

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tiny Danza View Post

    Confronting in parts, but interesting.

    @J37, are you able to shed any light on the professional obligations of doctors with regard to treatment for patients where they consider treatment to be of little benefit, or futile? (Not talking about end of life treatment here, just general treatment.)
    There is an important philosophy in Medicine which says "First, do no harm".

    So, if the treatment causes "no harm" to the patient, and the patient is aware that the doctor believes said treatment is going to be futile, or of minimal benefit, and the patient gives full informed consent, then the answer is no, there are no professional obligations in place for doctors.

    I do, however, believe there are ethical obligations. I think it is unethical to charge a patient for a treatment a doctor believes is almost certainly going to be futile, even if the patient has given informed financial consent. The doctor should not have to work for free, either.

    In this instance, I personally think that the ethical requirements are for the treating doctor to refer the patient to another fertility clinic and Specialist.

    This is not mandated by law, but I do believe it should be an ethical obligation.

    If I was an IVF patient, it's what I would want from my doctor.

    If I was an IVF doctor, it's what I would do.



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    Hven;t had a chance to watch it yet, will do so later on 'catch up tv' but found this article in The Australian - kind of echoes what people have been saying,

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/opin...924c2438f53973

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    Quote Originally Posted by Billie2 View Post
    Majority succeed from what I see on here, and friends/family. Would like to have seen the first go first success IVFers represented.. Not that I am one of them, but there are alot around. Band together stand together I say. If you are doing IVF you are not poor..
    I can't believe you just said that.
    Your so far from the truth!
    I'm assuming you haven't been down the ivf path otherwise you wouldn't say such a stupid thing.
    Do you know how long some people save for to be able to pay for ivf?
    People go without and sacrifice alot often, to be able to have a chance to have what can't come naturally and what so many take for granted.

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