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14-05-2016 09:20 #151
14-05-2016 09:38 #152
Spinoff - when does it become okay to judge?
I guess going back to the original question from OP then. It's OK to judge in your own head/home as long as people your judging aren't able to be offended right? I have been been berated on here for my strong opinions so this is my turn to say that comparing daycare 4 days a week to every weekend palm off isn't fair. Just saying..
What I'm learning is that child rearing is such a hot potato. Sleep, feeding etc., better off not commenting at all and having a beer instead! At least most mums agree on that 😜
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14-05-2016 09:44 #153-
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Spinoff - when does it become okay to judge?
Additionally, Its quite plausible that if the situation was represented from another view on BH that the mum in the scenario would be ripped to shreds. Think along the lines of "I am a first time poster. I have fallen into a pit if negativity parenting my two year old as I hate my own mum. When I was young she flicked me off to my grandma for two nights each week... So she could party with my father. This was just the start of a life if her putting herself first and me last. Which she still does to this day. Should I wash my hands of her or try to make amends?"
I think my point is in the absence of any real clarifying information BH's nearly always automatically (and sometimes viciously) side with the mum. It's ok to make assumptions that favour the mum (judge)... But not other players (child, dad, mil).
14-05-2016 09:46 #154
This was never a grandparents vs Childcare debate IMO. It's about the reason behind the weekend care by grandparents.
Saving sanity, a relationship or not suffering from PND are okay reasons IMO as to why you might need a grandparent to look after their child for many hours.
But Rachel Finch hasn't said she has PND, she hasn't said, I'm a struggling mum with PND and I'm struggling with having a child and a busy career and not seeing my husband and this is how we deal with it..... Too many parents are burnt out because they don't make the most of their village, they suffer in silence, if you have PND please seek help like I have. Nope! She's said how awesome is this..... I have a child and I STILL get to live most of my weekend like I don't have kids.
This is where I'm drawing the line and many others have. It's not *just* the hours or grandparents looking after her it's the reason!
If that was a real poster, no I don't believe people would say that's a great idea to do that every week. Everyone yes will be supportive of her struggles as would I, but I'm pretty sure some would be asking if there's any other way to cut back on their commitments, change jobs (eventually as I know you can't just snap your fingers and have a new job), make small changes here and there, and maybe do the Friday to Sunday thing once a fortnight.
But again your example IMO is completely different as your example is a struggling parent with PND not a career woman with a kid who doesn't want to give up her non-kid life- she wants it all - brilliant career, child and freedom and isn't willing to give it up.
So thank you for your example it highlights where I draw the line and the point I have been trying to make all along - the reason behind a parent not spending a large amount of time with their child is where my judgement lies and I understand that's different for different people. That's okay isn't it?
Oh and PS yes it is her life, her choice, I just don't agree with it. That's okay too isn't it?
14-05-2016 09:51 #155
What happens when the MIL dies and the Finches can't rely on her anymore. I wonder if they will put their grown up parent pants on and reduce their social life or if they will try and find someone else to take the child. This too would also say a lot about them. And I'm okay to judge this too.
14-05-2016 10:14 #156
I think there's a little rule of thumb to go by. Be kind. Even if you're thinking it and you feel it's your right to vocalise it, be mindful. Yes, we all judge, I think that has been established. And of course it will still be frowned upon if someone says something in a derogatory and narky manner. What's good for goose is good for the gander, I agree, but my personal stance and view on the whole thing is, don't go out of your way to judge just because you can. Have some respect and consider the person on the receiving end. I honestly do not stand in judgment clicking my tongue at mothers who do something differently to I. I think what works for one family won't always work for another. I don't partake in the sleeping threads at all, I did once when DD was 10 months old, I naively ventured into the CC section when I was looking for help and advice and let's just say that I learned my lesson. Which further drives the notion of putting yourself in the other person's shoes before spouting your opinion.
Re Rachel Finch, like I said, maybe it's the only way she can cope with parenting. So what? That's my opinion on this subject. I wouldn't do what she does but that's me. I don't think it gives me the right to put her down, though. I don't like being hateful.
14-05-2016 10:17 #157
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14-05-2016 10:23 #158
As to there being a clique - as a member of almost 9 years I find it interesting that people say that when others disagree with them, but what I see is just a group of like-minded members. For years the forum was quite 'left', and there were claims of bleeding heart socialist cliques. But now I've noticed the more regular members are much more upper middle class Liberal type women. I could claim there is now cliques with these members...... or I could just see it for what it is - that the demographic has changed and like-minded people naturally will agree with one another. Those same members agree on a whole range of topics bc they are similar, not bc they are in a 'clique'.
14-05-2016 10:24 #159Senior Member
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IMO being able to have it all is great, not something to judge harshly.
14-05-2016 10:35 #160
@VicPark I agree I've made a massive assumption in order to offer a different perspective and I may be very far from the truth. @A-Squared, no there was no mention of PND but I don't believe she should have to justify the reasons behind her and her husbands decision. Just like I don't believe VP should have to justify sleep training her boys. If it works for your family and everyone is happy that's all that matters. Right?..
By highlighting my assumption, I guess the only answer to the OP is that the only time it is OK to judge is when we have ALL the facts.
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