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    Quote Originally Posted by tuxcat View Post
    and theres that infertility guilt right there!! I too was doing all that stuff in my twenties and early thirties plus some - so those things cross my mind all the time. A great friend of mine got pregnant at 39 (almost 40) and was binge drinking for about a week as she was on holidays and didn't know - she was there with me for most of my twenties doing all the same bad things, probably worse as she can drink like a fish.

    As long as you had fun doing all that and lived to tell the tales then thats the main thing!! I know I did

    I did a hell of a lot worse than drinking and smoking I can tell you that!!!

    I never had IVF Guilt over it though?? I always put it down to my crappy old eggs and not so stellar sperm (seeing as TESA'd sperm isn't fully mature) being the reason we were pushing sh!t uphill trying to get a BFFP not my decades of partying!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tahli View Post
    Good point for the immune girls (uhm, if I'm one of those, are there foods which flare things up?!).
    My IVF nurse said to me studies have shown stress pre-conception makes no difference to your chance of falling pregnant. It's post conception that makes a difference. You're my case in point. I'm so sorry you had to experience losing your Mum while cycling and pregnant.
    A super conservative Catholic 90 year old relative with no children gave me some sage advice on how to fall pregnant naturally "Just eat some honey dear, and bonk!!...you'll fall pregnant straight away." Uhm, we're pretty confident she didn't know what "bonk" was slang for. I think she used "bonk" in a "hey presto" kind of way.
    Apparently there are "anti inflammation diets" you can follow. Here's a shameless copy and paste of something I just pulled off the net but will do some more in depth research shortly.

    Other things one can do at home are to start an anti-inflammatory diet, i.e. stop eating gluten, dairy and sugar which cause the immune system to flair up. Start anti-inflammatory supplements such as high doses of fish oil (6 capsules per day). Dr. Braverman recommends Maxi-Flavone. Limit exercise during treatment cycles (exercise causes and inflammatory state in the body). Though exercise outside of treatment cycles as over long term, exercise reduces inflammation. Use any relaxation methods. Eat/take antioxidants which reduce radical oxygen species (ROS). ROS are created by inflammation and cause destruction in the body.

    I don't know if these foods/this diet have any truth/scientific proof behind them but I reckon if I did have immune issues I would've given the recommendations a try just to see if it made any kind of difference much the same as some Lovelies try Acupuncture etc.

    In saying that, I'd frucking starve on that diet!!!
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    @tuxcat Sorry, I should have added that I don't drink (for the last few years), have never smoked or drunk tea or coffee or done recreational drugs and rarely eat take-away food. So my 'not healthy' approach has a lot of vices (pleasures) taken out of the equation as my starting point. Pretty boring girl hey?!! Although it may go some way to explaining my chocolate addiction!!!
    I think we just have old eggs girls...let yourselves out of the sh~tty IVF past life guilty cycle of thoughts. It does you no good. You just can't do much about your old eggs except the basic stuff...Vit E, Q10 etc. It all sounds like we lived a fairly normal life through our 20s!! (Except @BlondeinBrisvegas you've got me wondering?!!)
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    Here's another link showing some of the inflammatory foods to avoid and basic/alkaline foods etc to eat:

    http://www.novaivf.com/eating.htm

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    @BlondeinBrisvegas I'm on board with the limited exercise idea. But no gluten, diary, sugar (gasp...that's chocolate!). If I was incredibly disciplined I would definitely significantly reduce those things as I know they're not great for us anyway, and I do try during an IVF cycle. I think the quick fix solution is 1000mg of Metformin and throw up alot!!!

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    @Caesardust If that's what your gut is telling you then save your $8,000 and put it towards DE. Maybe still have the lap though. Is DP on board with DE?
    (I'm trying reverse psychology because I'm pretty sure you're going to do a final OE cycle.)
    PS: I'm jealous of your OE blasts!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tahli View Post
    @BlondeinBrisvegas I'm on board with the limited exercise idea. But no gluten, diary, sugar (gasp...that's chocolate!). If I was incredibly disciplined I would definitely significantly reduce those things as I know they're not great for us anyway, and I do try during an IVF cycle. I think the quick fix solution is 1000mg of Metformin and throw up alot!!!
    You're healthy enough Luv from what I just read in you previous post!!

    Chocolate is your only vice FFS's!!!😉😁 If taking Metformin means you can have your chocolate & eat it too knowing that riding the porcelain bus is the price you have to pay then I say go for it!!!😁😁😁

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tahli View Post
    @Caesardust If your gut is telling you that then save your $8,000 and put it towards DE. Maybe still have the lap though. Is DP on board with DE?
    (I'm trying reverse psychology because I'm pretty sure you're going to do a final OE cycle.)
    PS: I'm bl~~dy jealous of your OE blasts!!
    My 4 blasts have all been day 6 though I believe. I don't think getting to a blast means much for me though. Dp is ok with de because he isn't that fussed about kids either way. He has three of his own plus I pay for all of the ivf so he's pretty disconnected. Don't get me wrong though he is very supportive of me which helps a lot. As I'm going with a new FS for this last oe cycle I know he wants to have a go and maybe he'll say something else after the lap. I can make a final decision then I guess except I have to pay for it all on Friday when I start on the Synarel. I'll ask then what happens if I have to cancel after the lap. I'm sorry if I seem all over the place. I shouldn't be playing out the decision on here as I know that I maybe have more choices than some of you. I'm sorry if I've offended anyone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Caesardust View Post
    My 4 blasts have all been day 6 though I believe. I don't think getting to a blast means much for me though. Dp is ok with de because he isn't that fussed about kids either way. He has three of his own plus I pay for all of the ivf so he's pretty disconnected. Don't get me wrong though he is very supportive of me which helps a lot. As I'm going with a new FS for this last oe cycle I know he wants to have a go and maybe he'll say something else after the lap. I can make a final decision then I guess except I have to pay for it all on Friday when I start on the Synarel. I'll ask then what happens if I have to cancel after the lap. I'm sorry if I seem all over the place. I shouldn't be playing out the decision on here as I know that I maybe have more choices than some of you. I'm sorry if I've offended anyone.
    WTF?? Don't you dare apologise for coming in here to ask for help/sounding board for your thoughts &feelings!!!

    We are here to offer support/guidance to one another regardless of whatever circumstances we find ourselves in ok Luv??

    That's why we're such a frucking great group of Lovelies!!! We all understand & we all "get it" (some more than others) regardless of where we're at xoxo

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    Quote Originally Posted by Caesardust View Post
    Ladies I'm in a dilemma. I'm seriously wondering if it is even worth doing this last oe cycle. It will be the first time I've done Pgd but I figure if I'd had any normal embies (7) they'd have worked by now. I will also be having my first laparoscopy. If you were me would you bother throwing 8+k down the drain on a last ditch oe cycle to draw a line in the sand? I won't be able to afford a de cycle until probably next year at least so it's kind of one or the other. I hadn't got to de in my mind or do I think I'm emotionally really ready to give up on my oe but I am figuring it's better to put my money where I'm going to have more of a chance of success. I am in all sorts of anxiety and stress and no one option seems better than the other.

    Holy heck my BH is playing up today. You'll probably get six of these messages from me!

    Anyway...my two cents for what it's worth.

    As someone who did one final round of OE and at the time thought "At least if I do one more round I won't die knowing I didn't give it a good try".....

    3 eggs, 1 fertilised, 1 BFN and $6,500 down the drain later

    Honestly, that money could have been so much better spent. It could have paid for half a DE cycle, or decorated a nursery.

    This is an entirely personal decision of course and if you think you stand a good chance, then go for it! Me personally, no feckin' chance it was going to work and I don't know why I pushed it so hard. The switch from OE to DE was actually very easy in the end. Deciding was the hard part, but once the decision was made things fell into place quite quickly.
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