I guess where I struggle is that this attitude is kind of accepting the status quo and not exploring the aspects of a patriarchal society that have led us to this point and making a case for change.
Maybe you're right that a mere two years out of the job can put you behind (not the case in my industry). Why can't we live in a society that acknowledges this and invests in retraining/upskilling the women that have been competent (or better than) for all those years prior to daring to go on leave, rather than writing them off?
Why do we shrug our shoulders and say 'that's just the way it is. Those are the choices we make'?
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09-03-2016 19:46 #101
09-03-2016 19:49 #102
I also find it interesting that in some species in the animal world there are very obvious gender roles and no one questions or disputes it. It is studied, observed and accepted as fact. Yet with humans, we say we are the same, it's social conditioning that makes us how we are perceived.
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09-03-2016 19:51 #103
Funnily enough, I have a friend who has switched from engineering to teaching 3 years ago. She says teaching is far harder but also far more rewarding. It's probably to do with learning styles too- the engineers I know are astoundingly good at maths. I wouldn't last past writing my name on a test in an engineering exam, but I would wipe the floor with all of them at writing a coherent argument. They're just different skill sets IMO.
09-03-2016 19:58 #104
I'm just gonna say most teachers couldn't be engineers and most engineers couldn't be teachers. There are multiple intelligences, very different from each other. Society values some more than others.
09-03-2016 20:00 #105
Anywho off topic. Just an area I've got a lot of respect for.
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09-03-2016 20:02 #106
I'm currently half way through my primary ed and quite frankly unsure if I want to continue. The stress and hours are insane, far far more than I thought. I'm not saying teaching is better/harder than engineering. Just that it's a longish very demanding course and the average person has no idea the time teachers put in - yet the pay considering all that is sh*t. Many of us are arguing that is bc it is female dominated.
09-03-2016 20:06 #107
I don't think pay is lower just because it is female dominated. What about the police force? Male dominated and a very tough job in my opinion. But the pay is terrible too.
09-03-2016 20:09 #108
But gender is on a spectrum- if you looked at some of my traits and grouped them together you would probably conclude that I am very typically female. But if you grouped another bunch of my traits I would seem very typically masculine.
Yes, other animals have typical gender roles but they are social gender roles too I would say. Humans aren't the only creatures who create societies, many animals do. And I can imagine that even in the animal kingdom there are some who are 'more' masculine or feminine than others (eg alpha males) Animals bred in captivity away from their own kind must be taught gender roles before being introduced to others of their species.
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09-03-2016 20:15 #110
I think part of the reason it's lower paid is the perception of the holidays teachers get. How does that actually work? Do you still get paid for the X number of weeks you get each year?
I know there's still prep and pupil free days but it's still more than average isn't it?
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