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23-02-2016 16:04 #71
23-02-2016 16:04 #72
Black face - why is it racist?
I've worn a saree to an Indian wedding and fancy dress party, German traditional dress to Oktoberfest, ao dai to a Vietnamese wedding etc. It's probably actually the Germans who I've offended the most. Using their national holiday as an excuse to party and drink....
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23-02-2016 17:04 #73
You can make a racist comment and be unaware. But you cannot BE racist and unaware. Intent is key.
I never said noone had the right to be offended by this. If someone is offended that should be addressed, but if the person did not mean to cause offence, that also needs to be noted.
And yes there is a set criteria to "blackface"- that's why it is offensive.
Choosing to be ignorant is different- someone can find what you did to be racist but that doesn't make you a racist. Like someone said, it is systematic and not a one off thing.
This is why racism is still so pervasive- because if someone of a different race gets offended by someone of another race, the person offended is seen as a victim. Instead, they should just be seen as someone who is offended. Completely valid, but not a victim. (Unless, of course, it was something reoccurring- which really then becomes bullying and not just racism).
Systemic racism is different to racism- linked intrinsically, sure, but 'plain' racism is different.
You are wrong. An opinion is valid as an opinion. Is it more valid than fact, no of course not- but I didn't say it was. Nothing trumps anything in relation to these issues- everything needs to be discussed.
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23-02-2016 17:34 #74-
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With many American friends and having spent time in the US then yes I can absolutely understand how black face is offensive to African Americans. It's basically a tradition from the olden days designed to entertain privileged white people by making African Americans look like buffoons.
It's the same as myself walking down a street in Australia and yelling out "hey Abbo! What do you think you're doing!" to an indigenous Australian.
The Aussie chick may not have realised the the social implications - no doubt she does now.
I don't buy the Hemingsworth dudes excuses. He has been in the US often enough to know better. When in Rome you have an obligation to make sure you don't do stuff that the Romans would consider offensive.
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23-02-2016 17:42 #75
Could you give me an example of "plain" racism and tell me why it's different to systemic racism?
Discussion is great when its based on facts and research but putting your opinion across and ending it your argument with "well thats my opinion" kinda weakens your point. Or means you don't really have a point just an opinion.
23-02-2016 17:43 #76-
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23-02-2016 17:46 #77
23-02-2016 17:52 #78
When my brother was little I caught him in the backyard playing basketball, pretending to be Michael Jordan (his IDOL), covered from head to toe in brown texta
His intent wasn't racist. As a naïve 8 year old he wouldn't have had a clue about racism, he just wanted to be like Mike.
This young female basketball star was obviously just as naïve. I find it hard to believe that she wouldn't have known that painting her face black would be offensive but some people just aren't aware.
I am usually the first to hate on the PC police, but I think in this instance, with the history of black oppression/slavery etc, that if the black community find face painting (whether complimentary in nature or not) offensive, then you just have to respect that and not do it. Doesn't matter if you agree or not.
I feel sorry for the girl, she's had to learn a hard lesson in a very public, embarrassing way.
23-02-2016 18:03 #79
Black face - why is it racist?
Black face is racist because it stems from a time in history when it was used to mock an entire race for entertainment, cementing the belief that they were less superior to whites (see links below). Being American I grew up knowing it was an unacceptable part of our history not to be repeated so was shocked by that incidence on 'Hey hey it's saturday' a few years ago. Including that incidence there have been a couple high profile cases of somebody doing this on TV in OZ (one on The Voice comes to mind) and I am continually surprised that people, especially ones in a position to be on tv, do not understand why it is so inappropriate.
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23-02-2016 18:20 #80
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