Can I just add the debate on this topic is ridiculous. I actually agree with the change in law. I had honestly never heard of extended rear facing but my kids are older so it's not part of my life anymore.
My comments last night were not intended to disagree with the law more trying to understand when it became possible. I still don't know to be honest.
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10-02-2016 08:56 #71
Petition to keep babies safe
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10-02-2016 09:11 #72
So the studies aren't based in Australia, isn't a child in any country still a child. I just don't see why those reports aren't relevant. This isn't new either, my daughter was born in 2012 and I knew then that extended read facing was best and we were over 12 months both times. Honestly could have gone even longer but I was happy with 12 months for both my kids with the current seats and laws.
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I preface this by saying I haven't read all of the links, just a few posted by HGL.
VP is right though, the ones I read were essentially "opinion pieces".
The problem with asking for a so-called "scientific study" is this... You cannot do a proper randomised-controlled-study (RCT) on this. It's unethical, and no-one would participate anyway. There are no relevant animals to use instead. Yes, there are "models", but even these have very limited generalability to children.
Yes, you could do retrospective studies, but these are very difficult to quantify, and a poor cousin to the RCT.
Yes, children have much bigger and heavier heads in proportion to their bodies, so it "makes sense" that an impact in the forward position would potentially cause more cervical vertebral damage, due to the momentum of the head, and the neck behaving as a fulcrum. But... at what age or weight this risk becomes acceptable is, essentially, not able to be documented scientifically.
So...we are left with "opinion pieces".
I don't have the answer. I don't even have an opinion on this one (which may be a first for me). I actually thought the rules in Victoria were 12 months or 10kg, whichever came first.
And before someone says "you can't do a RCT on seat-belts either, why should that be the rule"...some things don't need scientific proof, just basic knowledge of Physics. We are not debating seatbelts in children, but the type thereof.
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10-02-2016 10:39 #75
Australia is the "only" country that allows this? Really?
I am almost sure that in Ireland you can turn at 9 months, and I think the law states that the restraint must be appropriate for height and weight, and that rearward facing must never be near an airbag, rather than ages.
They recommend up to 15 months, but its not law.
10-02-2016 11:27 #76
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10-02-2016 11:49 #77
I think mods should close this thread and a new one started to do with studies or child seats as this has totally derailed from please sign this petition. 😤😤
10-02-2016 11:50 #78
why can't threads just evolve organically?
10-02-2016 11:58 #79
@VicPark if you want to get some facts from an Australian source, I suggest the Infasecure facebook page (possibly their website, too). They're very informative with the benefits of ERF, as well as harnessing til 8 and beyond, and seem to be leading the way with producing carseats that give us the most safety within our current carseat laws.
I'll also add that a baby's strength and ability to avoid sustaining injury during a car accident does not change just because they live in Australia. Australian babies aren't exclusively born with a super strength spine or anything else. Scientific studies about ERF this are going to be valid, regardless of where in the world they're created.
10-02-2016 12:21 #80
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