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04-02-2016 11:08 #61
04-02-2016 11:11 #62
And forcing your beliefs on someone is indoctrinating a child into preaching to another about *your* beliefs then expecting them to accommodate you. Clearly you don't do that so I don't get why you are getting so angry?
As I said, you believe what you want or don't want to and so will I. I would chastise my atheist child for preaching negativity to your child about something that is so important to you. Yet the courtesy should not be extended?
I'm confused what you are upset about
04-02-2016 11:17 #63
I think the problem here is BRV framed her initial comment as it wasn't necessary for anyone to tell their kids Santa isn't real. That's love lives here's objection. And fair enough too. Why can't she tell her kids he isn't real. He isn't real.
I don't think BRV really meant that. I think she's saying your kids should just say we don't believe. Which is what LLH's say.
So I tend to agree with loveliveshere on this one. We tell our kids God isn't real but many people think he is and that's fine. And if they want to believe in him that's fine too.
04-02-2016 11:18 #64
04-02-2016 11:22 #65
On this subject we have but heads a few times. I see where they are coming from. I understand the point of view. I disagree with them.
They are telling me that I should only say that we don't believe. That I can't expand on that. I can't say he is not real. I can not teach our belief system above we don't believe.
By telling someone what to say and not to say about their faith that you don't understand is disrespectful and intolerant. That plain and simple.
I will continue to teach my children that Santa is a tradition that we have adapted from St Nicholas who died serval hundred years ago. That there is no Santa that you need to be good for. That you be good because they are good people. That santa reminds us to be good to those less fortunate. And a whole lot more...
I will not dumb that down we don't believe. In my our house I will teach my beliefs.
I do teach the our kids to simply say to kids and adults that the we don't believe in Santa. As simply answer. If questioned more of course they can say more. Just as your child is free to tell my child all about what Santa has done for them. It not about one side being more important and over ruling the other child's beliefs. The 2 sides are equally important. They both can say what they believe.
04-02-2016 11:23 #66
what religion are you out of interest LLH? genuinely curious.
04-02-2016 11:25 #67
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04-02-2016 11:27 #69
I have also been on this forum for many years LLH I am not some newby.
I have no problem with what you believe and what you say to your children.
I dont understand where you think brv is saying to change your beliefs.
But this thread has given me a good chuckle for a foggy morning stuck indoors
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04-02-2016 11:48 #70
I believe that God isn't real and people use religion as an emotional crutch and excuse to persecute others. That's my genuine belief, and the latter is most certainly true.
Are those Christians here ok with me telling my young child that..... who then goes and tells your child that. But that's ok bc that's *my* belief you are trying to extinguish. You can't tell me what I tell my child, and by extension, what my child tells your child.
Do you see the glaring inconsistency here given how upset religious people on this forum get?
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