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    @Precious40 - I hope you can have a scan soon. You seem like you're dealing with this limbo really well, much better than most of us would be. At least you are busy at work. I'm having a very slow start to the year and it's not helping my extensive consultations with Dr Google.
    @Maxwellsmum- I would have had to go and sleep somewhere else. Give me a spider or even a mouse any day over a cockroach. I'm not Australian born and had never seen one until I came to Australia. My dislike of them is pathological.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Green lady View Post
    @Precious40 - I hope you can have a scan soon. You seem like you're dealing with this limbo really well, much better than most of us would be. At least you are busy at work. I'm having a very slow start to the year and it's not helping my extensive consultations with Dr Google.
    @Maxwellsmum- I would have had to go and sleep somewhere else. Give me a spider or even a mouse any day over a cockroach. I'm not Australian born and had never seen one until I came to Australia. My dislike of them is pathological.
    @greenlady Oh no, not a spider no no no no no! I don't think I'd ever recover from that and would spend the rest of my days a twitching insomniac.

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    I really hope it works out for you Precious and you're just a low-level-at-the-start hcg lady. are you on those meds that mask symptoms perhaps?

    eww cockroach. when I was a kid we were at a picnic in the bush park and a little bug went in my ear when I had a nap. I haven't slept without hair covering my ear since.

    tuxcat, good news for your friend after their ivf journey but yes, it can be hard to hear at first. hugs

    I haven't been answering about the meds questions as I don't know about these. I hope you all get the right doses/timing. I too think the lining is the least of our worries and everyone here's lining will be perfect.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maxwellsmum View Post
    Wolf spiders have been found sitting on my pillow
    NO!

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    @Precious40 you are being so strong! I would be going nuts by now!! Don't stress about symptoms, I only had sore bbs & lots of peeing at that stage. Hang in there lovely xx

    DH & I were listening to a radio interview on abc radio national a few months back about ivf. They were generally encouraging women to freeze eggs earlier, because of the decline of egg quality as we age. I'm pretty sure I remember them talking statistics & saying that a women at 38 usually has to go through about 20 eggs to get a pregnancy. The story was really aimed at the ivf industry misleading women about their real chances of having a baby. And aimed at women who found themselves single in their 30s & encouraging to freeze for later use. It was super interesting actually, and there is a podcast if anyone was interested in listening. The story was called "Cold Comfort". They talk to a very interesting ivf researcher named Lord Professor Robert Winston.

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    @Petal40 - I'd like to hear about more IVF research being done into why egg quality declines and what if anything can be done to prevent or slow it down.

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    saw this article the other week:

    "Women Can Make New Eggs After All, Stem-Cell Study Hints"
    http://news.nationalgeographic.com/n...uction-science

    perhaps one day in the future 'old eggs' won't be as much of a problem

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    Quote Originally Posted by Petal40 View Post
    @Precious40 you are being so strong! I would be going nuts by now!! Don't stress about symptoms, I only had sore bbs & lots of peeing at that stage. Hang in there lovely xx

    DH & I were listening to a radio interview on abc radio national a few months back about ivf. They were generally encouraging women to freeze eggs earlier, because of the decline of egg quality as we age. I'm pretty sure I remember them talking statistics & saying that a women at 38 usually has to go through about 20 eggs to get a pregnancy. The story was really aimed at the ivf industry misleading women about their real chances of having a baby. And aimed at women who found themselves single in their 30s & encouraging to freeze for later use. It was super interesting actually, and there is a podcast if anyone was interested in listening. The story was called "Cold Comfort". They talk to a very interesting ivf researcher named Lord Professor Robert Winston.
    But it isn't as simple as "oh, just freeze your eggs for later" as they don't generally freeze or thaw well as eggs alone have a higher water content making them more unstable for freezing and thawing...a fact that seems to be conveniently overlooked most of the time.

    Far better to freeze embryo's if possible. Plus it's bloody expensive too with no Medicare rebate unless it's for a medical reason (for eg starting cancer treatment). What I wish is that all these experts that are so blase with their advice such as "oh just freeze your eggs" or "get the embryo's PGD tested prior to transfer" would be completely honest and transparent regarding costs of doing these things, success rates and the criteria that has to be met to achieve these things also as I believe it gives a false perception that it's achievable/affordable for everyone when it clearly isn't.

    Same with the amount of Cycles needed. I reckon just cut to the chase and tell the truth about how many embryo's you'd likely need transferred depending on your age to get a take home baby. That's where the reality lies IMO.

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    Totally agree. And what irks me is so many young ivfers that assume ivf is the answer to everything and totally devo if they get less than 15 eggs at epu and doesnt work straight away and shock horror their fs doesnt put in 2 embies first up cause they want twins.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlondeinBrisvegas View Post
    But it isn't as simple as "oh, just freeze your eggs for later" as they don't generally freeze or thaw well as eggs alone have a higher water content making them more unstable for freezing and thawing...a fact that seems to be conveniently overlooked most of the time.

    Far better to freeze embryo's if possible. Plus it's bloody expensive too with no Medicare rebate unless it's for a medical reason (for eg starting cancer treatment). What I wish is that all these experts that are so blase with their advice such as "oh just freeze your eggs" or "get the embryo's PGD tested prior to transfer" would be completely honest and transparent regarding costs of doing these things, success rates and the criteria that has to be met to achieve these things also as I believe it gives a false perception that it's achievable/affordable for everyone when it clearly isn't.

    Same with the amount of Cycles needed. I reckon just cut to the chase and tell the truth about how many embryo's you'd likely need transferred depending on your age to get a take home baby. That's where the reality lies IMO.
    @BlondeinBrisvegas - agree with everything you say. Specifically on the PGD testing point I don't think they make it clear enough how bloody hard it is to get anything to test - it's only after you start you realise (a) how few embryos actually get to blastocyst regardless of your age ( b) how few embryos get to blastocyst on day 5 and are actually hatching on day 5 - this is the one that has surprised me the most - that day 5 unhatched ( but expanded ) or starting to hatch blasts are transferred all the time in a standard cycle but for a PGD cycle you can't biopsy without it being sufficiently hatched. I just didn't grasp this part when I had the PGD counselling- I knew it was required but I think I thought that if you got any blasts at day 5 they would be hatching on that day or they wouldn't be called blasts IYKWIM? Just shows my ignorance I guess.

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