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    Sorry to derail but My son was born early April so this thread got me thinking.

    Did I read correctly that kids starting prep this year in VIC could be born anytime between May 2010 and April 2011?

    But since some parents are free to delay the starting year by 1 year effectively this year, kids in prep could be born anytime between May 2009 and April 2011?

    Surely I got it wrong? 😳

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    Quote Originally Posted by ExcuseMyFrench View Post
    Sorry to derail but My son was born early April so this thread got me thinking.

    Did I read correctly that kids starting prep this year in VIC could be born anytime between May 2010 and April 2011?

    But since some parents are free to delay the starting year by 1 year effectively this year, kids in prep could be born anytime between May 2009 and April 2011?

    Surely I got it wrong?
    I think it will be from Jan 2010 & Apr 2011. All the 2009 babies would have started by the year they turned 6 - which would be the previous year. So Apr onwards utomatically start the year they turn 6. Jan-apr can start thr year they turn 5 or the year they turn 6.

    ETA - sorry,the info I gave is for SA with an apr cut off. Im not sure of vic?But if it is a july cutoff,the ages would be from Jan 2010 & July 2011,which is why there was mention previously of an 18month age gap.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cheeeeesecake View Post
    I think it will be from Jan 2010 & Apr 2011. All the 2009 babies would have started by the year they turned 6 - which would be the previous year. So Apr onwards utomatically start the year they turn 6. Jan-apr can start thr year they turn 5 or the year they turn 6.

    ETA - sorry,the info I gave is for SA with an apr cut off. Im not sure of vic?But if it is a july cutoff,the ages would be from Jan 2010 & July 2011,which is why there was mention previously of an 18month age gap.
    That makes sense thanks!!

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    My son is 4 turning 5 this year in march. we are in vic.

    we sent him to kinder (4yo) last year with plans that he would start school this year(prep).

    However, he is returning to 4yo kinder this year and will start prep at primary school next year.

    he was the youngest in his class last year. the cutoff was 30 april 2011 for 4yo kinder last year....so he only scraped in by a few weeks.

    initially when they suggested we pull him out last year and send him this year i was offended and upset as we, and childcare , felt he was ready, but after seeing him there towards the end of last year with his peers it was obvious he wasn't ready. I'm glad we chose to repeat kinder, i look at him now and he's not ready for school.


    I'm fairly certain bubs born 1st may - 31st december automatically start when they're 4, where as bubs born 1st jan-30april can decide to start at 3 turning 4, or 4 turning 5. You would also pick up the jan-april babies who are delayed.

    So last year wouldve had all the 2010 babies, and any 3 turning 4 2011 bubs.

    this year is all 2011 bubs and. any jan-april 2012 bubs.
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    So the cut off for kids in NSW is July 31? In Act it's April 30th. Parents of kids born in feb-april usually only send them if they are really ready, boys especially start the following year.

    Now I can see how there could be an 18 month age gap. One child could be 4 and not turn 5 till July, and another child could turn 6 in Feb or March. That seems to be a big gap and if the trend is to wait, then wouldn't there only be a very few kids going who are born in May/June/July, especially if even schools advice against it? It's so confusing to parents especially when there are trends to follow.

    I'd imagine for boys and say sport, it would make a difference when you've got some boys that are 18 in the beginning of year 12 and a few that are still 16 for half of year 12. That would mean they wouldn't turn 18 till second semester uni wouldn't it? Doesn't that seem like quite a disadvantage against their peers? I.e. Starting year 7 as an 11 year old when some of the other boys would turn 13 in the beginning of the year? That makes a big difference in puberty.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jontu View Post
    So you think before Feb is a Grey area. Do you think 6 months (feb-july) really makes a difference ?

    I myself was a may baby who started at 4.5.
    Pretty much finished all the work before the other kids in the class so the teacher either gave me a few extra questions to do or let me go to the front of the class to play. I am not claiming to be a genius or anything like that. What I am saying is that age alone cannot determine whether he will struggle with learning at school.
    And a - squared made a good point about kids getting bored. That should be considered too. Isn't that why some kids get moved up a grade?
    I definitely think 6 months make a difference, kids change and develop so frequently and so much during their early childhood years.

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    I think the rule should be nation wide that all kids must be 5 on the day they start the first year of primary school. If they turn 5 the day after, bad luck!

    Then if say 5% of people delay their 5 year olds there would only be 1-2 kids per 30 pupil class who is vastly older than the bulk of the students, thus eliminating such big age gaps and maturity levels etc

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    Quote Originally Posted by A-Squared View Post
    I think the rule should be nation wide that all kids must be 5 on the day they start the first year of primary school. If they turn 5 the day after, bad luck!

    Then if say 5% of people delay their 5 year olds there would only be 1-2 kids per 30 pupil class who is vastly older than the bulk of the students, thus eliminating such big age gaps and maturity levels etc
    We definitely need a nationwide rule for school entry and cut offs. A nationwide system for school leavers results and university entry instead of the current state based system would be incredibly useful as well.

    I was hopeful both would be implemented in conjunction with the National Curriculum.

    Would life so much easier for families who move interstate.

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    This whole thing just seems crazily confusing? In WA there are no options of holding back, so there is never a chance of there being a 18mth discrepancy in ages in any school year group. The cutoff is June 30...so all kids in Pre - Primary (the compulsory year before yr1) are aged 4.5-5.5. Kindy (year before Pre primary) is available in the govt system for 2.5days a week for all children 3.5 to 4.5.
    Most team sports here work on school year not birth year so children play with their school age counterparts.
    Just seems unnecessarily complicated in other parts of Australia. ...

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    I delayed my DD1 who started this week and recently turned 6 - she has friends the same age who are going in to Grade 1 so I understand the questioning of what to do.

    I was recommended by my DD1's Speech Therapist to delay back in 2014 and after seeking advice from numerous primary school teachers and her kinder teacher - she repeated 4 year old kinder. I can see it was the best decision for my child.

    I copped a lot of flack from my Mum and MIL especially as this was unheard of back in the day - but I didn't want risking my daughter being held back a grade at school as I feel there is a stigma attached when this happens. However our Speech Therapist actually mentioned that there tends to be a trend now of not repeating kids because it can be detrimental to the child who sees all their peers moving on - therefore the child struggles their whole schooling career - I just couldn't risk that for my child.

    From this thread alone, it appears our states are all out of whack - but I would definately think twice if I had an April-Jul baby and sending them at 4.5 - you have to ask yourself why would SA, ACT and VIC have a 30 April cutoff ? (Rehetorical question) - there has to be a reason as to why they've come to this decision.

    I will say that in Victoria, it is very difficult to repeat 4 year old kinder for a government funded position- so you
    have to make the call early on (2-3 years old) which can be incredibly hard to do.

    Thankfully my other kids are born in the mid to later part of the year so I don't have to worry - it's a relief!


 

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