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    I actually really dislike this show. For so many reasons I can't go into (virtually no mobile coverage where I am this week).

    I have no problem with the concept of this program or shows like it but think the execution was appalling.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wobbleyhorse View Post
    Oh @TortoiseNotTheHare - that theory makes sense.

    I watched it and was so angry about the way Brendan Dassey was interviewed/treated by both the police and his first lawyer (and his lawyers investigator)! Even if he is/was guilty, he did not get a fair go at all.

    I also wondered about that first press statement made by Katz when he went into so much detail. Is that usual? Surely it was a bit graphic/detailed to release to the public pre-trial.

    Also, on a lighter note - what was with the leisure wear that the police/Katz wore for most press interviews. Surely you would dress for the media?

    I'd be interested to read more theories if anyone has any. I'm not sure if Avery is guilty - he's not 100% in the clear but he's certainly not without a doubt guilty!
    Absolutely agree that the way that they addressed the media was purely using techniques to put fear into people about what this apparent monster had done. Absolutely there was a monster that did something awful but not sure they have the right one and even so it was disrespectful to go into such graphic detail talking about how she would have suffered.

    Definitely think there is reasonable doubt in everyone's mind! The cops definitely helped the conviction along which to me says that it was corrupt and unfair! I felt for Brendan.. As another poster mentioned, it broke my heart when he asked what inconsistent meant and when his mother said she didn't know I just felt so sad for all of them. He didn't stand a chance against the cops.

    I also don't think that Steve was too dumb to actually commit the crime but I'm just not sure that he did. It almost seemed as if people wanted him out after embarrassing the cops for their stuff up and the easiest way was to set him up for a murder - especially as he was about to cash in from the first stuff up.

    I just wonder if maybe he was guilty but the police still helped the case along by planting evidence to ensure a conviction stuck this time... I'm really torn and wish I had the answers. It's driving me mad now because I want to know the truth! I'm going to start re-watching it tonight! I'll see what else I can uncover!
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    I think one of the worst parts of the avery trial was the fact that they had commented in detail about the statements made by Brendan Dassey to the police. His entire statement was available online. It was so public. The judge then refused to make a curative instruction.

    Then the prosecution didn't call Brendan Dassey, so there was no opportunity for the defence to cross examine him. His statement just hung there in the background, untested.

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    Yep I think they knew if they used his statement and then cross examined him it would undo everything and cause doubt in the jury's mind. The jury could have read Brendan's statement but without seeing the coercion then it would have still just made Avery look guilty anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ExcuseMyFrench View Post
    I don't find any of those "evidences" compelling.

    And about the innocence project, they refuse a lot of applications by pure lack of time. In their shoes id be inclined to help cases with less publicity.
    IMO avery is going to gain so much from the documentary already I think it's fair free resources like the innocence project help those less fortunate IYKWIM
    Some of the 'key' bits of evidence not mentioned I think are pointless, like I could care less that porn was found in his trailer and not a murderer does that make. But I think things like Brendan's mom telling the cops he helped clean the garage floor that night and DNA found in other places, him requesting her to come do the photos, etc are worth a second thought and I think the film makers did a disservice not including any facts like that.

    Yes the innocence project doesn't take loads of cases, but that is usually because they reviewed them and didn't think they should. They've removed him from their site of listing 'successes' and they also cut ties before this case received the publicity it has. So yes, they don't really need to take it now, but why didn't they take it on in the beginning? Especially given the history of the sheriff's department targeting Avery.

    I definitely think he deserves a new trial because his original trial and investigation were far too corrupt but I don't necessarily think that means he's innocent.

    Her brother and ex boyfriend comments are weird, they definitely put a flag up for me, but for the brother I'm cautious about criticizing his actions as inappropriate as you always see that happen with families of victims, suspicions raised on them because they didn't cry enough for the camera or say the right things.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sally1981 View Post
    I think one of the worst parts of the avery trial was the fact that they had commented in detail about the statements made by Brendan Dassey to the police. His entire statement was available online. It was so public. The judge then refused to make a curative instruction.

    Then the prosecution didn't call Brendan Dassey, so there was no opportunity for the defence to cross examine him. His statement just hung there in the background, untested.
    That press conference the DA gave after Brendan's confession! Wtf?! Why were they even allowed to do that?

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    Tortoise, I finally read the theory you posted, interesting!!!!

    Eta: to a comment that Avery wasn't smart enough to block and unblock his number. In the States it's VERY easy to do that, you literally just dial *67 before the number you are calling and your number comes up blocked. I think he's smart enough for that!
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    Quote Originally Posted by turquoisecoast View Post
    it's on Netflix!!
    Oh darn, I don't have Netflix

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    @babyno1onboard you could always do the free trial to watch it. I think it's still one month for free and then you can just cancel the subscription. We've had it for almost a year and go between watching stuff on that and stuff on Stan. I can't remember the last time I watched free to air tv now!

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    Quote Originally Posted by TortoiseNotTheHare View Post
    @babyno1onboard you could always do the free trial to watch it. I think it's still one month for free and then you can just cancel the subscription. We've had it for almost a year and go between watching stuff on that and stuff on Stan. I can't remember the last time I watched free to air tv now!
    Hmmm I could give that a shot. I've already got Foxtel and an Apple TV, anyone would think I'm a TV addict. What's Stan?


 

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