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    Quote Originally Posted by Frankenmum View Post
    The US has started down this slippery slope...will be interesting to see how it progresses...

    http://abcnews.go.com/US/woman-charg...ry?id=24542754
    Eeek...I reckon this law will end up getting overturned by the Supreme Court.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sejimumma View Post
    Its a bit hard to claim you didn't know you shouldn't drink when it's labeled on every bottle of alcohol .

    Someone can't get away with drink driving just because they claim they didn't know you weren't meant to drink and drive.

    If the government can come up with a safe drinking limit for driving then I guess they could also come up with an arbitrary number for pregnancy as well - slightly harder to prove it though unless we start breathalising pregnant women at their antenatal appointment.

    And before I get shot down for any of this, I'm just theorising and don't necessarily agree with any of the arguments I'm making!!
    I don't drink much but I had no idea a bottles of alcohol had warning labels

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    Quote Originally Posted by VicPark View Post
    Huh? What's wrong with the principal of suing people who harm others?
    It's about whether the foetus was owed a duty of care and whether it would have standing to sue. Currently in Australia the answer to both is no. The actions of the mother don't even come into play.
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    Quote Originally Posted by harvs View Post
    Which, in turn, has serious implications for abortion laws.
    I do agree with you. But...we're able to to charge people with murder in cases of unborn babies and still have abortion legal so there are obviously ways around this (abortion is legal in California but if a pregnant woman is murdered or a unborn baby dies in something like a drunk driving accident the perpetrator is able to be charged in the death of the baby). So there are obviously ways around this. Again I agree with you though, it's too much of a slippery slope when considering charging a pregnant mother with negligence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigRedV View Post
    I don't drink much but I had no idea a bottles of alcohol had warning labels
    Just googling it and it looks like it's voluntary at the moment but I've definitely seen a warning that alcohol should not be consumed during pregnancy on drinks labels before.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigRedV View Post
    I don't drink much but I had no idea a bottles of alcohol had warning labels
    I just checked a bottle of white wine in the fridge and yep they have a very small picture of the preggy woman with the cross through it, next to a safe drinking message. Can't say I'd ever noticed it before!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Happymum2 View Post
    Forgive me if it's already been said but I just wanted to say in regards to labels on alcoholic beverages some do have the picture that has been posted in this thread. I have seen it on wine, champagne, premixed spirits and beer. It looks like this. Attachment 75034Attachment 75035
    I have also seen labels like this on the blue bottle.
    My post from earlier ladies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sonja View Post
    A child should never be able to sue a mother for what was done in utero.

    There was actually a case in the UK where carers of a 7 yo suffering FAS tried to sue her mother. The woman was 17 at the time of her pregnancy and drank heavily (a bottle of vodka and several beers a day). From what I know they didn't have standing to sue.

    Cases like this deprive women of the right and ability to control their own lives while pregnant. And that is incredibly troubling.

    Too much sugar while pregnant may cause diabetes in a baby. Should the mother be held responsible?

    I feel the mood on BH at the moment is against the minority view and I respect that some who hold these views are women who have struggled to conceive and therefore may see the actions of those who are pregnant through outraged eyes.
    While I think drinking while pregnant is completely unnecessary and should be avoided, I agree with you.

    A child would never be able to sue a parent for something that happened before they were legally considered a "real person", right?

    A pregnant woman has the right to bodily autonomy. However, I don't think that should be used as an excuse to drink while pregnant. While the worst consequences will be for the child, it would also effect the parents negatively too (ie. Maybe finance, it's harder to parent a special needs child, possibly guilt or regret etc).

    Suing for a mother for something she did while pregnant also opens up a whole can of worms...suing for choosing to have a vb rather than a cs (or vice versa, if one had a negative consequence), suing because you gave the child a genetic disease (particularly one that could be picked up using pgd) etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sonja View Post
    It's about whether the foetus was owed a duty of care and whether it would have standing to sue. Currently in Australia the answer to both is no. The actions of the mother don't even come into play.
    Yeah I get that. It's a legal technicality though. Morally speaking there's no doubt in my mind the baby is owed a duty of care.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VicPark View Post
    Yeah I get that. It's a legal technicality though.
    Hmm not really.


 

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