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    I think too, many assume (and get caught up in the no judging of mums aspect of it) that there are only a few mums that drink heavily while pregnant, to the point of being drunk, with no regard to the baby. I've seen it in distant relatives of my partners family, women 6 months + pregnant downing beers, drunk and disorderly. They know it's wrong and they do it anyway and I've seen the problems their children have. I don't know exactly what the research shows but I'd assume that it's this level of drinking that produces worse results, than a mum who occasionally has a few glasses of wine with dinner.

    There is so much education out there, it's common sense to not get drunk when you are pregnant but there will always be women who will do it and the kids have to live with the consequences. I've seen it first hand and it's bloody heartbreaking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pearlygirl View Post
    My gp (who is certainly not an alarmist), was very clear about not drinking. I just can't imagine Drs in the last few years (since the abstain message has been around) telling women any amount is ok. It boggles my mind tbh.

    Hopefully this message starts getting through.
    I was pregnant in 2010 when my GP advised me that he saw no harm in having a small glass of wine at night to 'unwind'. He mentioned this without me even raising the question of alcohol consumption during pregnancy. This was a GP who was relatively young too (he appeared to be in his mid-late 30's).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mod-Degrassi View Post
    I was pregnant in 2010 when my GP advised me that he saw no harm in having a small glass of wine at night to 'unwind'. He mentioned this without me even raising the question of alcohol consumption during pregnancy. This was a GP who was relatively young too (he appeared to be in his mid-late 30's).
    I was advised with my first pregnancy back in 2009/2010 by my GP that an odd glass of red wine was good for me but to avoid all spicy foods. I completely ignored the mandate against spicy food.

    My ob has always maintained that a 1/2 glass of wine or beer was fine to consume occasionally. Now I took this to mean weddings/parties/special occasions. I even told her about the 1/2 glass of cider I had for my birthday when 6mths pregnant. She laughed and said that I wasted the other half.

    How do the statistics look for European nations where wine or beer is consumed regularly?

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    I never visited an ob in any of my pregnancies (public patient 3 times) but I do remember seeing signs up in the antenatal ward saying zero alcohol is safest. This is 2007 onwards. I didn't need to even ask as I knew I wouldn't drink. I had one sip of a west coast on Christmas Eve 2007 but felt immense guilt at 1 sip and tipped the rest out.

    I had implantation bleeding in my first pregnancy so didn't know I was pregnant until 8 weeks. I didn't really drink much anyway before I was pregnant with my first but I do remember having a massive bender the weekend before I found out I was pregnant (so about 7 weeks) drinking copious amounts of alcohol and smoking whilst out drinking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Apple iPhart6 View Post
    The concern I have is that when you talk about the guidelines, those are based off lots of research specifically on that topic and are the same for everyone in the country. If you ask your OB, however, two different women could get two different answers and also interpret those answers differently as well.

    We were talking about smoking during pregnancy on Facebook recently and there are an alarming number of people who, as heavy smokers, were told it was okay to smoke during pregnancy or, at least, that's how they interpreted what their OB told them. What their OB may have said was "cut back and you need to quit" but what they heard was "cut back". So many people reported that their OB said "it would be dangerous for you to quit smoking" which was more than likely a "don't go cold turkey but you do need to quit" and they just heard what they wanted to hear.

    A huge part of the issue here is Australia's drinking culture. People seem to think that you HAVE to drink to have a good time. Way back in the thread someone said it was crazy to abstain from alcohol at your wedding. I didn't intentionally do so but I drank no alcohol at my wedding and had a perfectly good time.

    I've long thought that Australia's drinking culture NEEDS to change and this is just further proof. So many things would be improved if we, as a society, drank less (one punch deaths, glassings, other violent crimes, etc.).
    I agree with the sad state of the culture of drinking to excess in Australia....

    Off topic but just looking at this article from the Melbourne Cup yesterday makes me very sad.

    http://mobile.news.com.au/lifestyle/...-1227593767988

    A lot of the confusion probably comes from Dr's, Or Ob's or Midwives not having the consistency in the latest information. Even different states and territories offer different guidelines (not necessarily regarding the alcohol consumption)

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    Forgive me if it's already been said but I just wanted to say in regards to labels on alcoholic beverages some do have the picture that has been posted in this thread. I have seen it on wine, champagne, premixed spirits and beer. It looks like this. ImageUploadedByThe Bub Hub1446609253.579430.jpgImageUploadedByThe Bub Hub1446609278.464577.jpg
    I have also seen labels like this on the blue bottle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Happymum2 View Post
    Forgive me if it's already been said but I just wanted to say in regards to labels on alcoholic beverages some do have the picture that has been posted in this thread. I have seen it on wine, champagne, premixed spirits and beer. It looks like this. Attachment 75034Attachment 75035
    I have also seen labels like this on the blue bottle.
    Yes I was thinking that too!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rose&Aurelia&Hannah View Post
    I was advised with my first pregnancy back in 2009/2010 by my GP that an odd glass of red wine was good for me but to avoid all spicy foods. I completely ignored the mandate against spicy food.

    My ob has always maintained that a 1/2 glass of wine or beer was fine to consume occasionally. Now I took this to mean weddings/parties/special occasions. I even told her about the 1/2 glass of cider I had for my birthday when 6mths pregnant. She laughed and said that I wasted the other half.

    How do the statistics look for European nations where wine or beer is consumed regularly?
    Not sure of the statistics but one of the articles I posted earlier stated that the UK and Italy were the only countries that did tell women not to abstain from drinking when pregnant, that light drinking is ok. Other developed nations all took the position of telling women not to drink. Whether an actual country's culture and overall attitude is different and how that affects FASD cases I don't know.

    It is pretty hard to not get confused by all of the info out there, there have been a few recent studies (2010 onwards) that have found occasional light drinking does no harm. My impression until the recent press release by American Academy of Pediatricians and now this Four Corners episode was that the no drinking guidelines were more because it was easier for countries to have a blanket no drinking stance rather than to tackle the mountain of explaining exactly what light, occasional drinking is, that's why you get some OBs telling you that having a small glass of wine occasionally (birthday, wedding, Christmas) is fine, because they are more in the 'know' about how alcohol affects a pregnancy.
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    And to add to the confusion, I just opened my Facebook to this shared article:
    http://www.theatlantic.com/health/ar...tm_source=SFFB

    I should note that the professor's research paper (Oster) she mentions in this article was mentioned in the NPR link I posted yesterday that specified that many of these studies that find light drinking ok only look at a few 'symptoms' (ie behavioral intellectual development) rather than the whole huge picture of the spectrum of physical features as well.

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    DH had a bottle shop just near one of Perth's most popular maternity hospitals. All of the midwives and doctors used to tell the ladies they could go to his shop and he'd give them a Guinness (or stout or something like that) and he used to stock the tiny cans and give it to them free, it was 'common knowledge' that it would boost the iron intake and do them good. This was around 1989 - 1992.

    I was a heavy drinker and smoker before I conceived DD. I didn't have a cigarette since the night before I found out I was pg (very early on and we weren't exactly TCC), and had no withdrawal symptoms quitting cold turkey. I did however have the tiniest amounts of alcohol (a tiny capful of in a cocktail at Bali, a small glass of champagne at our wedding). My ob said "just remember if you start feeling tipsy your baby's already passed out". For me it was more about the taste and experience of the drink and not the alcohol in it - I didn't believe that that tiny amount would have any affect on me or my baby and still don't.

    Unfortunately if you give some people an inch they'll take a mile which is just plain stupid. I'm happy for fellow hubbers to judge me if they want, I stand by my decision.

    As for the father giving up alcohol for the pregnancy, I see no point. Getting ****ed out with his mates all the time - that's a behavioural issue and unrelated - why can't my husband have a glass of wine if he wants?


 

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