I think too, many assume (and get caught up in the no judging of mums aspect of it) that there are only a few mums that drink heavily while pregnant, to the point of being drunk, with no regard to the baby. I've seen it in distant relatives of my partners family, women 6 months + pregnant downing beers, drunk and disorderly. They know it's wrong and they do it anyway and I've seen the problems their children have. I don't know exactly what the research shows but I'd assume that it's this level of drinking that produces worse results, than a mum who occasionally has a few glasses of wine with dinner.
There is so much education out there, it's common sense to not get drunk when you are pregnant but there will always be women who will do it and the kids have to live with the consequences. I've seen it first hand and it's bloody heartbreaking.
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04-11-2015 11:37 #131
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04-11-2015 12:35 #133
My ob has always maintained that a 1/2 glass of wine or beer was fine to consume occasionally. Now I took this to mean weddings/parties/special occasions. I even told her about the 1/2 glass of cider I had for my birthday when 6mths pregnant. She laughed and said that I wasted the other half.
How do the statistics look for European nations where wine or beer is consumed regularly?
04-11-2015 13:15 #134
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I never visited an ob in any of my pregnancies (public patient 3 times) but I do remember seeing signs up in the antenatal ward saying zero alcohol is safest. This is 2007 onwards. I didn't need to even ask as I knew I wouldn't drink. I had one sip of a west coast on Christmas Eve 2007 but felt immense guilt at 1 sip and tipped the rest out.
I had implantation bleeding in my first pregnancy so didn't know I was pregnant until 8 weeks. I didn't really drink much anyway before I was pregnant with my first but I do remember having a massive bender the weekend before I found out I was pregnant (so about 7 weeks) drinking copious amounts of alcohol and smoking whilst out drinking.
04-11-2015 13:40 #135
Off topic but just looking at this article from the Melbourne Cup yesterday makes me very sad.
A lot of the confusion probably comes from Dr's, Or Ob's or Midwives not having the consistency in the latest information. Even different states and territories offer different guidelines (not necessarily regarding the alcohol consumption)
04-11-2015 13:55 #136
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Forgive me if it's already been said but I just wanted to say in regards to labels on alcoholic beverages some do have the picture that has been posted in this thread. I have seen it on wine, champagne, premixed spirits and beer. It looks like this. ImageUploadedByThe Bub Hub1446609253.579430.jpgImageUploadedByThe Bub Hub1446609278.464577.jpg
I have also seen labels like this on the blue bottle.
04-11-2015 13:56 #137
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04-11-2015 17:03 #138
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It is pretty hard to not get confused by all of the info out there, there have been a few recent studies (2010 onwards) that have found occasional light drinking does no harm. My impression until the recent press release by American Academy of Pediatricians and now this Four Corners episode was that the no drinking guidelines were more because it was easier for countries to have a blanket no drinking stance rather than to tackle the mountain of explaining exactly what light, occasional drinking is, that's why you get some OBs telling you that having a small glass of wine occasionally (birthday, wedding, Christmas) is fine, because they are more in the 'know' about how alcohol affects a pregnancy.
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04-11-2015 17:19 #139
And to add to the confusion, I just opened my Facebook to this shared article:
I should note that the professor's research paper (Oster) she mentions in this article was mentioned in the NPR link I posted yesterday that specified that many of these studies that find light drinking ok only look at a few 'symptoms' (ie behavioral intellectual development) rather than the whole huge picture of the spectrum of physical features as well.
04-11-2015 18:28 #140
DH had a bottle shop just near one of Perth's most popular maternity hospitals. All of the midwives and doctors used to tell the ladies they could go to his shop and he'd give them a Guinness (or stout or something like that) and he used to stock the tiny cans and give it to them free, it was 'common knowledge' that it would boost the iron intake and do them good. This was around 1989 - 1992.
I was a heavy drinker and smoker before I conceived DD. I didn't have a cigarette since the night before I found out I was pg (very early on and we weren't exactly TCC), and had no withdrawal symptoms quitting cold turkey. I did however have the tiniest amounts of alcohol (a tiny capful of in a cocktail at Bali, a small glass of champagne at our wedding). My ob said "just remember if you start feeling tipsy your baby's already passed out". For me it was more about the taste and experience of the drink and not the alcohol in it - I didn't believe that that tiny amount would have any affect on me or my baby and still don't.
Unfortunately if you give some people an inch they'll take a mile which is just plain stupid. I'm happy for fellow hubbers to judge me if they want, I stand by my decision.
As for the father giving up alcohol for the pregnancy, I see no point. Getting ****ed out with his mates all the time - that's a behavioural issue and unrelated - why can't my husband have a glass of wine if he wants?
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