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    Quote Originally Posted by SoThisIsLove View Post
    Actually ( not trying to argue - history just really interests me) but you are right there was a census around the time of Jesus birth which again provides more evidence that his birth was not in winter as most were required to travel to their nearest city to register and wouldn't have been required in the dead of winter to make such a journey.

    But March comes up as approximate birth month of John (Jesus' cousin) which helps us to see why Sept / Oct is the most likely time of Jesus birth.

    Since Elizabeth (John’s mother) was in her sixth month of pregnancy when Jesus was conceived , we can determine the approximate time of year Jesus was born if we know when John was born. John’s father, Zacharias, was a priest serving in the Jerusalem temple during the course of Abijah. Historical calculations indicate this course of service corresponded to June 13-19 in that year.

    It was during this time of temple service that Zacharias learned that he and his wife Elizabeth would have a child. After he completed his service and traveled home, Elizabeth conceived. Assuming John’s conception took place near the end of June, adding nine months brings us to the end of March as the most likely time for John’s birth. Adding another six months (the difference in ages between John and Jesus) brings us to the end of September as the likely time of Jesus’ birth.

    But it's all a bit of a guess. All that's known is that it couldn't have been anywhere near the date of December 25. That was chosen as it was the holiday that pagans celebrated the birthday of the unconquered sun ( or something like that)
    Yupp that all sounds very familiar. Our priest, growing up, was a historian and loved to talk about the actual history... most of the older generation didn't like that haha, but I loved it.

    The census, in that part of Jerusalem around that time, were occurring in Spring. Not sure why March was fixed upon but I remember it making sense.

    The problem with the bible is that it is such a small part of the story collection surrounding Jesus, etc. There are thousands of 'articles' written during that period by those names in the bible, that are not available to the public... or anyone really.
    And they all contradict each other at some point. Even in the bible some stories contradict- apparently Jesus was at both the Wedding at Canae (spelling?) and doing the Loaves and Fishes thing...

    The problem is that they are all moral stories, and not necessarily what actually happened.

    All the big religious holidays are chosen to coincide with the big festivals of paganism- as it made converting people easier (ie they still got to celebrate at the same times of the year).

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    Quote Originally Posted by DT75 View Post
    Even in the bible some stories contradict- apparently Jesus was at both the Wedding at Canae (spelling?) and doing the Loaves and Fishes thing...


    Can you reference where you got this from please? Thank you

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    Quote Originally Posted by SoThisIsLove View Post
    Can you reference where you got this from please? Thank you
    I honestly cannot recall. But it is widely known that the books in the current bible were chose because they resemble each other's accounts the most.

    Of course it's possible it occurred at different times in the same day...


 

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