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    Oh dear, I have been browsing some unschool facebook pages. In the interest of "children choose what they want to do or not do", one mother was saying her child needed 10 TEETH pulled out of her mouth, because 'we dont enforce teeth brushing'. I just think there are some things that kids are not equipped to make their own decisions about for their lives. They need some adult direction, surely. Education, and teeth brushing, are some things that if the child doesnt want to engage in, it's the adults job to enforce it!

    ETA - there is also a lot of posts about nutrition. Someone who's child was obese because he was allowed to eat whatever he wanted, whenever he wanted - because who am I as the parent to restrict their own choice and autonomy - so the child lived off of chips, coke and lollies, and suprise; became obese. Many others like this - "I offer my child to choose whatever they eant and they choose candy for dinner. Why dont they choose vegetables?" Lol. Ohhh dear oh dear.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cheeeeesecake View Post
    Oh dear, I have been browsing some unschool facebook pages. In the interest of "children choose what they want to do or not do", one mother was saying her child needed 10 TEETH pulled out of her mouth, because 'we dont enforce teeth brushing'. I just think there are some things that kids are not equipped to make their own decisions about for their lives. They need some adult direction, surely. Education, and teeth brushing, are some things that if the child doesnt want to engage in, it's the adults job to enforce it!
    Quote Originally Posted by misskittyfantastico View Post
    But see it doesn't. I know a homeschooler ( a trained teacher no less) who will not teach her child any maths until she is year 6/11 years old.
    I know fabulous homeschoolers and really rubbish ones first hand.

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    Quote Originally Posted by delirium View Post
    I would think following a curriculum would defeat the whole purpose of unschooling? Which is why I've been wondering how accountability works. But it really is just staying home and not going to school.
    Yeah, I didn't want to use the word "curriculum" but couldn't think how else to articulate what I was trying to say.

    Quote Originally Posted by misskittyfantastico View Post
    But see it doesn't. I know a homeschooler ( a trained teacher no less) who will not teach her child any maths until she is year 6/11 years old.
    I know fabulous homeschoolers and really rubbish ones first hand.
    Aren't they supposed to follow a curriculum though, in principle?

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    Quote Originally Posted by misskittyfantastico View Post
    But see it doesn't. I know a homeschooler ( a trained teacher no less) who will not teach her child any maths until she is year 6/11 years old.
    I know fabulous homeschoolers and really rubbish ones first hand.
    See that's interesting to me, because it follows the Scandinavian teaching model more (although I think that's only 8 or 9).

    The kids there don't have formalised mathematical training til around that age, but heaps of conversations around numeracy etc come out of the play based stuff. And they have the best results in the world I'm pretty sure. They're way up there, anyway!

    Sorry to de-derail. Educational theory nerd, here...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Moxy View Post
    Yeah, I didn't want to use the word "curriculum" but couldn't think how else to articulate what I was trying to say.



    Aren't they supposed to follow a curriculum though, in principle?
    In principle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harvs View Post
    See that's interesting to me, because it follows the Scandinavian teaching model more (although I think that's only 8 or 9).

    The kids there don't have formalised mathematical training til around that age, but heaps of conversations around numeracy etc come out of the play based stuff. And they have the best results in the world I'm pretty sure. They're way up there, anyway!

    Sorry to de-derail. Educational theory nerd, here...
    I really want to reply but not in the open forum xxx

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    Quote Originally Posted by cheeeeesecake View Post

    ETA - there is also a lot of posts about nutrition. Someone who's child was obese because he was allowed to eat whatever he wanted, whenever he wanted - because who am I as the parent to restrict their own choice and autonomy - so the child lived off of chips, coke and lollies, and suprise; became obese. Many others like this - "I offer my child to choose whatever they eant and they choose candy for dinner. Why dont they choose vegetables?" Lol. Ohhh dear oh dear.
    That reminds me of a blog post a few years ago that went viral about a woman that never brushed her kid's hair bc they didn't like it. She felt pressuring them to have their hair brush was akin to assault. Needless to say it copped a lot of criticism. As parents it's our job to ensure our kids get what they need to develop and grow physically and emotionally.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harvs View Post
    See that's interesting to me, because it follows the Scandinavian teaching model more (although I think that's only 8 or 9).

    The kids there don't have formalised mathematical training til around that age, but heaps of conversations around numeracy etc come out of the play based stuff. And they have the best results in the world I'm pretty sure. They're way up there, anyway!

    Sorry to de-derail. Educational theory nerd, here...
    Yep, there's a huge difference between no numeracy and no formal mathematical training. I dislike Steiner schools for a whooollee host of ideological reasons, but they do a similar thing with regard to no formal maths/reading etc. until age 7, and their results by 11/12 are on par with those with a traditional education.

    Main****** education most definitely has its issues...it's an attempt to apply mass-production ideas from the early industrial era to humans.....but on average it's going to produce a better outcome than what parents would choose to do themselves (although undoubtedly there are exceptions to that). please excuse anything here that makes no sense....it's late and i've had too much cider.
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    Quote Originally Posted by delirium View Post
    That reminds me of a blog post a few years ago that went viral about a woman that never brushed her kid's hair bc they didn't like it. She felt pressuring them to have their hair brush was akin to assault. Needless to say it copped a lot of criticism. As parents it's our job to ensure our kids get what they need to develop and grow physically and emotionally.
    oddly enough, i kind of get this. I still insist on my daughter having her hair brushed, but I'm uncomfortable about it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Renn View Post
    .it's late and i've had too much cider.
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