I gained from clomid for 9 cycles. Although my 15kg weight gain before DS2 was mainly from depression resulting from infertility and m/c. So maybe it isn't just the drugs but the state of mind women are in by the time they end up in IVF.
I'm sure I'll be told I'm making excuses for myself but that's why I gained the weight. I ate my pain. I know it sounds cliched but it really is true.
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11-10-2015 22:24 #151
11-10-2015 22:42 #152
Of women who give birth in Australia, the number of reproductive assisted births is around 3-4%*. That's a tiny cohort of a very large population where almost 2/3rds of adults are overweight or obese*. Any effect fertility drugs are having is minimal in terms of the overall impact on the number of people who are overweight or obese.
As for genetics, given the obesity/overweight statistics have risen dramatically in the last decade or so, rather than over a period of generations, I'm not sure we can point the finger too quickly there either.
The fact is, we're more sedentary than ever, we have technology that has replaced so much of what we used to do manually and an abundance of packaged food that is filled with crap and presents itself as a portion when very often it's two or more serves.
My son came home and asked why I stopped buying sultana bran when it has a tick on it (heart foundation approved). He has been told at kinder that "ticked" food is good for you. I had to explain to him that the tick means jack. Things like fruit and veggies don't have ticks, neither does plain yogurt, canned chickpeas, dried lentils or tinned tomatoes. Yet all these things are far more nutritious than pre packaged meals and cereals that are high in sugar. Things like the tick and other farcical claims on food like "99% fat free" and having essential minerals (looking at you coco pops) are misleading and partly to blame. But only partly.
* these are not made up statistics, they're on the website for Australian Institute of Health and Welfare which is a government website with data pulled from the ABS.
11-10-2015 23:00 #153
There is no doubt a chunk of obesity is from simple lack of exercise and eating poorly/too much. I'm not going to argue that is a huge issue.
But I feel uncomfortable with people telling others that every reason is an excuse beyond the above. Yes only a small percentage of women utililise IVF. So a small percentage would gain from IVF/fertility drugs. But when you factor in emotional eating (that's me), people that genuinely lack healthy eating knowledge, lack of finances, poor mental health, thyroid issues, the media and selling fast food etc etc that makes up a semi-sizable chunk too. Bottom line is all those reasons beyond maybe the IVF drugs could be avoided but these are the reasons some people gain. It's not excuses, it's an explanation.
If we really want to solve the epidemic, we need to move beyond the 'you're fat bc you eat too much' mantra and start seeing all the complexities here. Of course, for some that's the answer - stop eating so much. But I think there's quite a one dimensional and honestly, a very judgmental view to why the world has this issue.
11-10-2015 23:40 #154
Most people (not all) who are overweight are such because they eat too much, eat crap and/or don't do enough exercise. There's no point just saying that these people need to change. We need to understand why they behave like this and fix the root cause of the issue. Relying purely on people's willpower isn't going to fix this country's problems.
Jamie Oliver has done wonders in the UK with education on healthy eating, teaching people what they should be eating and how to prepare it quickly and cheaply. This type of stuff should be taught in Australian schools. It is so important.
12-10-2015 06:05 #155
Spin off : what does obese look like?
Obesity is now considered a disease by American medical board.
Of course obesity is generally from eating too much and not exercising. But to say that people just need to eat less and exercise is too simplistic.
If you've ever watched the biggest loser, you will know that the problem goes much deeper. The trainers on there need to dig and find out what has triggered their addiction to food and how to combat it.
12-10-2015 06:33 #156
In my previous post I also said that food marketing has a lot to answer for. When sugar laden or sweetener filled yoghurt with a whole bunch of added crap gets a heart foundation tick over plain, natural, yoghurt with zero additives, then something is very wrong. And it contributes to people making poor choices. But at the very core, it's the decisions adults are making that are impacting their weight and the weight of their children, for the most part. I can never understand how people can think frozen pizza is a better alternative to a chicken breast and salad or that a roll-up in a lunchbox is better than a piece of fruit. That's not to say I deride anyone who does, I just don't understand it. I think rather than looking at factors that drive weight gain as "excuses" that we look at them as "reasons". And again, however you cut it, adults for the most part are capable of taking responsibility for their health and the health of their kids and addressing these reasons. Yes, it's hard. I saw a psych for over a year to help with my ED and emotional eating. It helped only a tiny bit and it's something I battle with every single day, so I know the psychological part is bloody hard. But that doesn't mean it's out of people's control.
I've also said I'm not medically trained. This thread has got me wondering about the cause and effect of things like thyroid illnesses and weight. But I'm not going to speculate further because I really don't have any idea. I just wanted to put it out there in case there is anyone who does know.
12-10-2015 06:50 #157
I'll add that I loathe all reality television so my opinion was never going to be favourable. Reality television is to the mind what junk food is to the body. But that's another thread 😉
12-10-2015 07:08 #158
I don't watch it either for reasons you have said, but I have in the past. My point is that if you have watched it, then you will see that weight issues and food addiction is a deep psychological problem and to tell people to just eat less as some have in this thread and the other one is much easier said than done.
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