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    I find though that this debate is often one sided. Those that don't agree with sleep training are jumped on for being judgy and thinking those that do are bad people (I in no way think this) but then in the next breath we are told it's our fault our kids don't sleep well, that we are too lazy to make the hard changes needed etc etc.

    If we are truly going to have an 'each to their own' debate, let's do that. Not complain we are being judged then chide others.

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    I do think genetics play a role. Both my kids were parented the exact same. DD was a 6-6 sleeper but DS is a nightmare!!! He still wakes every 1-2 hours through the night.

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    Why can we not have an adult discussion about sleep where people don't take things personally. I actually find this research quite fascinating and I would like to discuss it as I think some points have been taken out of context, so I would love the opportunity to discuss it without being accused of telling people they're bad parents or being accused of purposely derailing what's meant to be a supportive thread and upsetting people.

    It would he great to take away the emotion and discuss this rationally. Any chance if I were to start a spin off people could leave their emotions at the door and we could discuss the research like adults? An honest question.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VicPark View Post
    I found this article to be easier to understand - and it's from the Harvard web site so it must be reputable right?

    http://healthysleep.med.harvard.edu/...ation-genetics

    I think it's saying severe sleep disorders may be influenced by genetics. And whether a person is a morning/night person etc may be influenced by genetics but also by other environmental factors as well.

    So I think this is along the same lines as the article Holly posted?
    Reading this it's very high level and seems to be talking about adult sleep behaviour and not children or babies? The environmental factors are mentioned only in passing and don't seem to be relevant to babies. It also isn't just talking about severe sleep disorders but sleep genetics generally.

    It supports Holly's linked article from what I can read of it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by A-Squared View Post
    Why can we not have an adult discussion about sleep where people don't take things personally. I actually find this research quite fascinating and I would like to discuss it as I think some points have been taken out of context, so I would love the opportunity to discuss it without being accused of telling people they're bad parents or being accused of purposely derailing what's meant to be a supportive thread and upsetting people.

    It would he great to take away the emotion and discuss this rationally. Any chance if I were to start a spin off people could leave their emotions at the door and we could discuss the research like adults? An honest question.
    No need for a spin off. What do you think is taken out of context?

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    Quote Originally Posted by A-Squared View Post
    . Any chance if I were to start a spin off people could leave their emotions at the door and we could discuss the research like adults? An honest question.
    I guesstimate there is a 9.5/10 chance of such a thread on BH going pear shaped before the 15 page mark (*disclaimer: figures totally made up).


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    Quote Originally Posted by VicPark View Post
    I guesstimate there is a 9.5/10 chance of such a thread on BH going pear shaped before the 15 page mark (*disclaimer: figures totally made up).

    And about a 0.5% chance of everyone having an open mind?

    Winky wink wink.

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    Quote Originally Posted by just her chameleon View Post
    Honestly it seems like this sleeping issue is the new 'formula v breast' debate that took over the hub back when I joined in 2008. It's getting to be a joke.

    To be told again and again that parents are causing sleep issues is akin to blaming mums for not trying hard enough to breastfeed.

    Have to wonder how the view is from up there.
    Are you sure? I thought it was coconut oil vs olive oil 😝

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    You may be surprised VP. I for one would like to discuss the genetic basis. I do believe there is one. Me believing that doesn't mean I'm a lazy parent, nor that you are a bad parent for not believing it.

    As I said, it's not a practice I would ever use, it doesn't fit with my gut instincts. That doesn't mean I think less of those that do sleep train, I just disagree.

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    Default New study finds genetics is what decides how well your baby sleeps.

    While I agree that the conclusion drawn is probably true, I wish that study had more information. It isn't at all convincing to me. Do they mean they studied the similarities in the twins' sleep patterns and them only? How did they rule out other possible causative factors such as environment etc.? How did they define 'waking' in the night - was it stirring or fully waking? Did one twin crying and therefore waking the other twin affect results any? Was there a comparison/analysis of the parent sleeping habits? Were the twins identical or fraternal? Did twins have siblings and did they display similar results?

    There is also an opinion stated as fact, which always bugs me. I can't remember it word for word but something like when there is waking in the night it is therefore best for them to be comforted and fed (sorry if I got that wrong). While I agree with this, it is opinion and not something that is proven within the study as far as I could understand...

    Sorry Holly :-)

    ETA I missed the link to the actual article so will catch up on that tomorrow to see if any of my questions are answered :-)
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