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    Quote Originally Posted by LoveLivesHere View Post
    Vic park false stats make me ragey. She never says they are made up in the first post she puts them in.
    It is misleading, disgusting and harmful.
    Admitting they ate made up later in thread does not make up for that fact.
    on the positive side I would never walk my shoes through someone else's house

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    Quote Originally Posted by VicPark View Post
    That's not fair
    This thread was in he general sleeping section and the safe place thing wasn't clearly stated as he intention of this thread. I have responded respectfully to an OP that quoted my words from another thread and have (I hope respectfully) responded to those who had questions about my views.
    I'm sorry but I totally disagree and stand by my post.
    I feel the OP was entirely clear in her OP (and I highlighted the sentiment along the way, as did others) so I'm not sure where the confusion lies.
    As for posting in a specific section? There isn't one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by misskittyfantastico View Post
    You didn't fail.
    It was an awesome attempt and TBH, I'd really love it if this thread could be closed, cleaned, reopened and stickied. Not for me, because I'm in a very happy place with my children and their sleep but for the mums with young babies, toddlers etc... who need the safe space.

    I just feel that the heart of this thread has been lost to ego and the need to be "right" and that is a crying shame.

    Only on the hub.
    I've started another thread for parents who want to solve their children's sleep problems to feel at home and not feel like crap for being sleep trainers.

    With respect, there has been ego shown on both sides. Everyone is trying to be right, trying to get others to see their POV, it can't be limited to just VP et al (including me).

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    Quote Originally Posted by misskittyfantastico View Post
    I'm sorry but I totally disagree and stand by my post.
    I feel the OP was entirely clear in her OP (and I highlighted the sentiment along the way, as did others) so I'm not sure where the confusion lies.
    As for posting in a specific section? There isn't one.
    Okey doke. I thought the OP wasn't clear and was perhaps even a tad antagonistic when combined with the previous thread. Will have to agree to disagree.

    Cheers!

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    Quote Originally Posted by VicPark View Post
    If that was your intention maybe next time this could be made clearer in the OP? I honestly read the OP and did not think that was the intention. I interpreted the quoting of my words from the other thread and ending with "vent over" as it was ok for some robust (but respectful) discussion.
    Apologies if this assessment was incorrect.
    Quote Originally Posted by VicPark View Post
    That's not fair
    This thread was in he general sleeping section and the safe place thing wasn't clearly stated as he intention of this thread. I have responded respectfully to an OP that quoted my words from another thread and have (I hope respectfully) responded to those who had questions about my views.
    Actually, your first post on this thread stated that you considered it unreasonable to be asked not to contribute to thread on an open forum so would post regardless.
    @Sonja also stated clearly that it wasn't a debate thread in her OP. Robust discussion, debate, potato, potato.

    To be fair I and others here have engaged with you so I understand why you have kept posting here, I'm just not convinced on the whole misinterpreting the thread thing. I know you wouldn't be sleep deprived and didn't read OP closely :-p

    Anyway, I think misskitty has made a great suggestion, I'm all for cleaning and stickying and safe placeing. I think this is an important thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by A-Squared View Post
    I've started another thread for parents who want to solve their children's sleep problems to feel at home and not feel like crap for being sleep trainers.
    I haven't posted in the other thread but to me it seems to be more of a discussion thread?

    Quote Originally Posted by VicPark View Post
    Okey doke. I thought the OP wasn't clear and was perhaps even a tad antagonistic when combined with the previous thread. Will have to agree to disagree.

    Cheers!
    I thought the op was quite clear.

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    Quote Originally Posted by A-Squared View Post
    I've started another thread for parents who want to solve their children's sleep problems to feel at home and not feel like crap for being sleep trainers.

    With respect, there has been ego shown on both sides. Everyone is trying to be right, trying to get others to see their POV, it can't be limited to just VP et al (including me).
    With respect, you continue to miss the point. This is not a debate thread so there is no winner, and no right.

    The fact there is no right is the whole point of this damn thread but I think it's too subtle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AdornedWithCats View Post
    I haven't posted in the other thread but to me it seems to be more of a discussion thread?

    I agree, the title and initial post read as a discussion about if you believe sleep habits can change...not that it's a safe place for 'sleep trainers' to vent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by A-Squared View Post
    I've started another thread for parents who want to solve their children's sleep problems to feel at home and not feel like crap for being sleep trainers.

    With respect, there has been ego shown on both sides. Everyone is trying to be right, trying to get others to see their POV, it can't be limited to just VP et al (including me).
    Fabulous! I mean that sincerely. My children all sleep well and I'm so past this sleep stage that I guess I'm just looking at this from a new parents perspective and I remember that a similar thread many years ago actually saved my life. Let me know that I was normal and that my child was normal and that my instincts were right.

    I think that a similar thread saying that sleep training is ok might save another womans life and that is what's important.

    What I dislike is others encroaching on the attempt to create a safe space and this goes both ways of course.

    I'm honestly not trying to be right. I'm trying to be fair

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    Default Not every child will sleep

    And one final note on the point of this thread. Even if it wasn't patently clear from the OP surely the number of people who have posted in the past 24 hours to share war stories and take comfort from the company of others should guide what the thread is about? Otherwise what is the point in sharing if you only get told if you just try a little bit harder you can fix it.

    And isn't this a bit like the thread started a while back about whether people regret having children? No one there wanted to be told everything would be ok and they would feel better one day.

    I just see them as very similar.
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