On a side note my first doc at Genea called it the 'Green Cordial' syndrome. Whatever potion, herb, supplement you are taking/doing gets the credit for landing you pregnant. If you were drinking a ton of green cordial at the time.......
The amount of times I've read on a thread someone is taking chinese herbs and they get up the duff.... and say it was the herbs. Perhaps, maybe it was the IVF..... or luck, or sex. Who knows.
Yeah it's a fine line between trying something a bit different and spending money and time and resources on a red herring. (I am not referring to any particular protocol here) I guess that's where you have to trust your doc. Or not.
My mates would ask me why I didn't do acupuncture and I would just say my doc didn't recommend it. I don't need the extra hassle of appointments and cost. We are in such a vulnerable position, it's hard to separate the wheat from the chaff.
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07-08-2015 16:37 #801
Last edited by Bongley; 07-08-2015 at 16:42.
07-08-2015 17:00 #802
Thanks everyone and don't worry, I take all advice on board and don't feel like you are being pushy. I'm also of the opinion that unless its proven scientifically, then hey, it may help, it may not. When my Dr is saying that the side effects may outweigh the benefits., especially when there is apparently nothing wrong with me, then I'm going to have to think twice. I did use the term 'if it doesn't hurt then why not' with him a few times and was surprised when he said that it could actually be detrimental. I am going to be very interested in what CFC say about the high antibodies and the corresponding test which says they are 'ok antibodies not affecting embies'. I already know my blood is thinner due to fish oil (it was raised as an issue at my d&c afterwards) so I don't know that clexane will benefit me, especially if I'm already going to add the aspirin.
It really gets me that my family are all so easily fertile, but none of them waited until this ungodly age for kids except my Nan who fell twice accidentally at 42 and 44, and that I know there is nothing wrong with me. I think the 34yo donor, and the fact that they did 2 day, 4 cell transfers didn't help my cause. Obviously one donor embie stuck (and then subsequently m/c) but the other 4 may not have even made it to day 5. Every single one of my transfers, all 15 embies, with my old clinic, including my first donor were at 2 or 3 days. I think that is sh1t. How can you know at 2-3 days what they will end up like ??
The thing that guts me though is these last two perfect hatching blasts from a 24yo donor. WhyTF didn't they stick ?????
07-08-2015 17:11 #803
Not that it helps leshoja but that 24 year old might still have to try for a year naturally without ART to get a take home baby.... 12 tries. There is sadly such an unknown in Ivf once the embies are set free to do their thing.
Sorry for barging in but I do stalk and follow you girls
Oh and all my pregnancies were from day 3 embies except Alexa who was frozen at day 4 then 3 years later had pgd testing. .. was normal and was transferred at day 6...my take home baby.
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07-08-2015 18:19 #804
Congrats to @Bongley for those fab fertilisation results!! Excellent news!
And just coming from someone who nearly ended up in intensive care with Sepsis from a combo of a urinary infection from IUI and immune suppressant Prednisolone one of the "it cant hurt" drugs I just want to remind everyone that there are risks involved with taking any drug. You never think that 1 in 1000 is going to be you. The fact is I could have died and I had no real concept that this was one of the risks, but in saying that, I probably would have taken the gamble even if this was spelt out to me, because Im one of those vulnerable people fighting my guts out to have a baby. I think its amazing to be armed with knowledge and to read and read and read about treatments, things to test for etc but at the end of the day, we are not the Specialist who has trained for years on the subject. I think its important to listen to the advice of your Dr and to trust them.
The individual stories of people don't prove anything, because you often only hear from the people who did have success and not the millions of others who tried everything and didn't.
I am sceptical and maybe thats because Ive gone to see the Drs on the conservative couch, but when my FS at RPA told me that Prednisolone causes facial deformaties in babies and she would never prescribe it I was quite shocked. Who ever has told me that was one of the risks? Again, if it was going to happen to someone, it would probably be me.
@leyshoja I agree they should be transferring blasts surely. Its the most sure fire way of finding the best embryo, how would they know from a day 2 one. Mine all look good at day 2! I hope you find the answers you need, listen to your gut I guess.
07-08-2015 18:22 #805
Yeah cleft palate is a risk from prednisolone amongst others, my FS only does low doses and weans you off fairly quickly if bfp happens.
I don't think FS outline anywhere near the amount of risks they could or we'd probably not even try. I think if you have immune and clotting issues there are benefits outweighing the risks for most of us.
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07-08-2015 19:34 #806Senior Member
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congrats Bongley! fingers crossed for the next report
07-08-2015 19:37 #807
Yep, there are risks involved with every drug which is why I read up about each and every one of them that was on my protocol and so I knew about the small risk with Prednisone as well as all the others including the FSH, the ICSI procedure etc.
To my knowledge I don't have any immune issues, but I trusted my FS who is the Specialist as well as making my own informed decision on using those drugs. I didn't consider myself at the time to be a vulnerable person who was being taken for a ride although there was an element of "desperation" in the sense of wanting to do everything I could and leave no stone unturned knowing we were coming to the end of the IVF road due to finances and age (in that order).
I may not be university educated (which is pretty evident) however I'm not a frucking idiot either. I consider myself to be intelligent enough to have made what I deemed a very well considered and informed decision about my/our treatment after many, many hours and days upon days upon weeks upon months of research in order to give ourselves what I and my FS thought/decided was the very best chance possible in all areas..protocol, drugs, etc, etc.
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07-08-2015 19:45 #808
It's all a gamble... I also could have fallen pregnant without all this IVF but you just don't know and it comes down to making the decision you think is right for you at the time. Luckily most of the time we never know if we had done just that one extra thing, or one less thing, the result would have been a BFP or we would be even bigger bundles of stress. I wish I knew the perfect solution. I'd be a gazillionaire !
07-08-2015 19:55 #809
There was no way I could've ever have fallen pregnant without IVF..Well, not with DP. I'm not saying the basic immune protocol that I did is the magic bullet that got me over the line..not at all. There are so many other factors and processes in play, the main one being chromosomally normal eggs and sperm for a start.
What I am saying is that, for myself/ourselves, implementing it into my protocol was another "I" dotted and "T" crossed and another thing I could strike off the list as to possible causes of implantation failure (besides a dodgy egg and/or sperm).
Yes, you can only do what you think is right at the time, I totally agree. What I don't appreciate is the inference that FS's who do implement such protocols are shonky operators who are taking their patients for a financial or otherwise ride or that you must be vulnerable, gullible or desperate if you do.
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07-08-2015 20:05 #810
I was to about the risk of cleft palate which is why was told to take xtra calcium, magnesium and folate and have been on the higher doses for a while.
There have actually been loads of studies done on immune issues affecting fertility, they have just been done overseas, where this treatment is widely accepted. The only treatment not accepted in the U.S. now is LIT and there are conflicting reasons on whether that needs to be relooked at.
Australian fs are only just starting to accept immune issues and look into the affects. I know there is a clinic in qld looking at opening up a lab to test for specific immune issues that we currently need to send our blood to the U.S. for. My fs and dr m went up there recently to meet with the clinic to talk about it. So I anticipate in a few years it will be widely accepted and tested for like it is overseas.
I have always been told about the side effects of the immune drugs, but no fs or nurse has ever spoken to me about the side effects of ivf drugs except ohss, which as a slow responder was never going to be me!
I guess I am a little skeptical of the fs who say they won't consider other things because this is the way they have always done it. Medicine changes, science changes and unless they are continually studying, they are just doing the same thing and expecting a different outcome each time, with me being the cash cow. To me that's almost as bad as the charlatan who promises you a baby if you do such and such😜
Anyway, such heavy topics for Friday night!
My next hcg is not till 17/8 and heartbeat scan is 25/8, I've gotta find an ob - and my mum arrives tonight from NZ to go to the rugby with me tmw - yay!
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