As for the spreading of STIs...education is the key here not RIC. I have no control over what my son does when he reaches that stage in life but do hope I would have taught him enough about the importance of protection. They mentioned the risk factors with penile cancer in the article are so low that they're negligible whether the boy is intact or circumcised. The instances of UTIs can be reduce through proper care and hygiene though there will still be some cases no matter what.
I'm with others who have commented though. Comparing RIC and vaccination is ludicrous. There are other much more effective ways to prevent the spread of STIs and this is the only way that RIC would impact anyone else's health. Vaccinating is the only way to stop the spread of VPDs and they definitely impact of the health of others.
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13-04-2015 15:22 #11
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13-04-2015 15:30 #12
Do I agree - No, am I swayed - No
13-04-2015 15:37 #13
Ooh vaccination and circumcision combined in one glorious thread!
*waits for all of Bubhub to explode*
Agree that it is an interesting hypothetical Hootenanny
ETA - I assume we're pretending this guy's opinion is actually based on sound evidence (which it doesn't seem to be, half of all uncirced men have phimosis, seriously?) and then considering the comparison to vaccinations and benefits. Right?
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13-04-2015 15:52 #14
13-04-2015 15:56 #15
But there is quite a bit of peer reviewed validated study that back this argument up. The CDC supports this viewTUESDAY, Dec. 2, 2014 (HealthDay News) -- U.S. health officials are poised to endorse circumcision as a means of preventing HIV and other sexually transmitted diseases.The U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention on Tuesday released its first-ever draft guidelines on circumcision that recommend that doctors counsel parents and uncircumcised males on the health benefits of the procedure.
The guidelines do not outright call for circumcision of all male newborns, since that is a personal decision that may involve religious or cultural preferences, Dr. Jonathan Mermin, director of the CDC's National Center for HIV/AIDS, ViralHepatitis, STD and TB Prevention, told the Associated Press.
But "the scientific evidence is clear that the benefits outweigh the risks," Mermin said.
13-04-2015 16:08 #16Senior Member
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The statements made in that article are pretty extreme at times.
But if I have a son I will definitely consider circumcision.
My partner hasn't been circumcised, but he has an issue with the foreskin tearing during unprotected sex which is extremely painful for him and makes TTC difficult! Was on a waiting list for 5 years before he could get an appointment to see a specialist about it, and is now on a waiting list for at least a year to have it removed. removal is going to be a lot more painful than for a child (a friend of his has also had to have this fine)
And yes, he does have good hygiene.
13-04-2015 16:18 #17
13-04-2015 16:21 #18
... sorry, royal australasian college of physicians. Therefore, although the medical profession do not (currently) see that RIC is worth the risks, parents can choose to do it if they wish, as it is not illegal. IF that changed, and the advice in Aust. was thay the benefit of circing far outweighed the risks, then yes, i would circ. But so far, science and the medical profession say it does not.
13-04-2015 16:21 #19
13-04-2015 16:26 #20
Royal Australasian College of Physicians, 2010
The most recent and authoritative statement was issued by the Royal Australasian College of Physicians in October 2010. This document states clearly:
“After reviewing the currently available evidence, the RACP believes that the frequency of diseases modifiable by circumcision, the level of protection offered by circumcision and the complication rates of circumcision do not warrant routine infant circumcision in Australia and New Zealand.”
The policy also points out that routine circumcision is under strong attack from bioethics and human rights advocates, “because it is recognised that the foreskin has a functional role, the operation is non-therapeutic and the infant is unable to consent.”
Summing up the pros and cons, the statement continues: “The decision to circumcise or not to circumcise involves weighing up potential harms and potential benefits. The potential benefits include connectedness for particular socio-cultural groups and decreased risk of some diseases. The potential harms include contravention of individual rights, loss of choice, loss of function, procedural and psychological complications.”
That being the case, it would appear that the potential harms outweigh the potential benefits, meaning that the circumcision decision is one that can properly be made only by the person who must bear the consequences. The new statement leaves this issue open, but does point out that leaving the circumcision decision to be made by the boy when he is old enough to understand the issues and make an informed choice has the merit of respecting individual autonomy and preserving all the options:
“The option of leaving circumcision until later, when the boy is old enough to make a decision for himself does need to be raised with parents and considered. This option has recently been recommended by the Royal Dutch Medical Association. The ethical merit of this option is that it seeks to respect the child’s physical integrity, and capacity for autonomy by leaving the options open for him to make his own autonomous choice in the future.”
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