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    Quote Originally Posted by delirium View Post
    Obviously the tiny percentage of those that genuinely can't be vaccinated for medical reasons will be, and should be exempt.

    As to bodily autonomy. Where is the balance with the health and well being of everyone else? If not vaxxing only affected the child in question, I would still disagree but accept the parent is making the decision on behalf of their child. But it doesn't just affect that child. It affects the whole community. I would also question the whole bodily autonomy argument in general. Whether you do or don't get your kid's shots done, YOU are deciding on behalf of your child. Therefore either way we are taking their autonomy.
    Correction. If you require a welfare payment, and that welfare payment is denied when you refuse to vaccinate your child, the government is taking away their autonomy. Is that what we want, as a society?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BornToBe View Post
    Correction. If you require a welfare payment, and that welfare payment is denied when you refuse to vaccinate your child, the government is taking away their autonomy. Is that what we want, as a society?
    No we want a society that actually cares about each other and sticks to factual scientific evidence. Not puts the whole community at risk based on (and I'm going to try to be polite here), non factual information and conspiracy blogs.

    It's not like vaccination is some pie-in-the-sky new thing we don't know the ramifications of. If you are putting everyone else at risk bc of anecdotal evidence and blogs you (again a general you) have given up that right.

    I'm a firm believer in bodily autonomy, I'm going to make that clear. It's a very important right. But when you weight that, which let's be honest is a first world right, against the right for the most vulnerable to be safe and not be infected by preventable illness... well to me it's no contest. Doesn't mean autonomy isn't important, just that it's trumped here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by delirium View Post
    No we want a society that actually cares about each other and sticks to factual scientific evidence. Not puts the whole community at risk based on (and I'm going to try to be polite here), non factual information and conspiracy blogs.

    It's not like vaccination is some pie-in-the-sky new thing we don't know the ramifications of. If you are putting everyone else at risk bc of anecdotal evidence and blogs you (again a general you) have given up that right.

    I'm a firm believer in bodily autonomy, I'm going to make that clear. It's a very important right. But when you weight that, which let's be honest is a first world right, against the right for the most vulnerable to be safe and not be infected by preventable illness... well to me it's no contest. Doesn't mean autonomy isn't important, just that it's trumped here.
    You've said exactly what I've wanted to but not known how to!

    I guess my only question is this being out forward to kill 2 birds with one stone (increase vac levels and save money on benefits) or purely money saving hiding behind something's that become a bit of an issue today (non-vaxers)? Either way I still agree with your post, just some thoughts I was having.

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    I just think about the children & adults in certain places in the Middle East who would give their right arm to be vaccinated against anything, but unfortunately certain groups keep intimidating (or worse) the aid workers trying to provide this service.
    Are we in Australia perhaps too spoiled and entitled to appreciate what we are given for free?
    Is it because vaccinations are free that many people don't value them?
    Linking vaccinations to welfare puts a "value" on them, which is the only thing that's going to work for the people who just don't care.
    I'd be interested to see if anti-vaxxers changed their minds if faced with a widespread epidemic of a VPD here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BornToBe View Post
    What about children who have an anaphylactic reaction to a vaccine? Or other health issues caused by vaccines? Rotashield, the Rotavirus vaccine used in the 90's carried an unacceptable increased risk of intussusception in children (a bowel issue).
    I'd love to do some reading on this if you have any info. I had intussusception at 4 months of age and had the vax in 89.

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    I agree with it and think that their should be more visibility about who is un-vaccinated especially in childcare are schools.
    As a way to target the wealthy I think the next step would be in impose a bigger Medicare levy on your tax return if you earn over a certain amount and your family vaccinations aren't up to date - similar to the levy that is imposed if you don't have private health insurance. Odds are that if you un-vaccinated then you are more likely, all other things being equal, to be a burden on the medical system therefore should be paying more than an vaccinated person

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    If I ruled the world, anyone who didn't vax their children on anything other than medically approved grounds would have to forgo the benefits of science in their lives. If you're going to deny established science then it should be consistently applied. (Children would be exempt.)

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    Everyone else is getting screwed over by the Governments budgets measures. There's no reason why anti-vaxxers would be immune to this. Pun intended.

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    Quote Originally Posted by beebs View Post
    Yeah - I agree LoveLivesHere - I'd be worried about families falling into poverty over this.
    then they should vax their kids. helping yourself to the welfare AND putting other kids at risk? I'm shocked at the self entitlement of some people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by geisha88 View Post

    You don't feel that the wellbeing of your childs health has any implications on their chances of contracting a VPD?
    so if your kid contracted WC and died, you'd be ok with your decision not to have vaxxed? can you honestly say the thought "omg maybe we should have vaxxed him/her" wouldn't cross your mind?


 
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