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06-03-2015 19:34 #264
Debate thread for discussing the death penalty and the Bali 9
Thanks munchkin, I'll try to read it later today.
This is obviously a very basic summary linked below. But, when people participate in the drug trade they are playing a part in violent crime (murders, robberies, terrorism, etc). They are helping fund and create a market for violent crimes and drugs. It does not just end with the junkies. By participating in trafficking they are playing a part in people getting murdered, in human trafficking, etc. the drug trade is despicable.
Et: please do not think this means I believe their punishment fits their crime or that I'm advocating for the death penalty. I am making this point because with some people there is an air that what these guys did 'isn't that bad.' (I don't necessarily mean anyone in this thread, just comments I've seen on Facebook as well).
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06-03-2015 20:04 #265
The drug trade us a vicious cycle and the only people who truly profit are the high level people who fund it, they prey on everyone else to do their filthy bidding. That's why I'm against prohibition. It completely hands over control to a black market of which we as a society have little to no control over.
06-03-2015 20:14 #266
Can i ask what everyone's idea of 'low level' drug involvement is? Personally i would have thought low level would be taking 2 pills into nightclub, or smoking pot at home...not taking 8kg of heroin into another country let alone orchestrating a group of 9 mules. Even pertaining to smuggling, it wasn't taking a joint or one pill overseas.
I don't believe these two were mentally impaired organizing this (they got away with it 3 times prior) so they were obviously smart men. They aren't exactly the kingpins potrayed in American movies, but they aren't your average joe drug user either.
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06-03-2015 20:29 #267
Not to be rude, but to me it's irrelevant. I am anti death penalty full stop. I am not in the business of rating how bad their crime was in the universal scheme of things - I just don't agree with the punishment.
I don't shed tears for them because I think what they did isn't that bad. I shed tears for them because I believe the death penalty is one of the scourges of humanity.
06-03-2015 20:33 #268
Chan and Sukumarans roles were "on the ground" they were "field workers" - see diagram page 21
06-03-2015 20:36 #269
I dont want to quote everyone that has referenced drug dealers and smugglers being responsible for the deaths of drug users as i will be here all night. I will probably get shot down but here goes.......
People are carrying on about the drugs but how about getting angry about the issues driving people to abuse drugs in the first place? How about tackling domestic violence and child abuse in our community. How about improving community awareness and mental health services! How about providing further training and education to young people.
The death penalty is as contradictory and corrupt as much as the 'war on drugs'.
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06-03-2015 20:40 #270
Harvs, Im not rating anything in relation to the death penalty, i was just curious as i had seen them referred to as low level a few times in this thread, and that didn't match my personal understanding/belief. Therefore was interested in others personal understandings.
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