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    I don't think any human should have the right to take the life of another human. It just seems so unnatural to me. Disgusting.

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    Here is the hypocritical injustice in my opinion: These men were given 10 years of false hope only to find that all their constructive work in the prison and personal growth was used to finally torture them.
    If there was any opportunity for a pardon it was clearly never intended. If they were to be executed it should have been swift if the government wanted to show that it was doing the right thing. They were caught in the act and admitted to the crime. I do not buy the excuse that the prison system is too clogged to perform a swift execution.
    I also believe that these men have transformed their lives from the inside out. In general there will always be people who just don’t like giving people a second chance, even when it is evident that there have been remarkable changes that have transformed the person into a better one.
    Indonesian Governor likes to appear merciful & give sentence cuts when he feels like it but what about in the desperate hour of mercy?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SixtiesChild View Post
    Here is the hypocritical injustice in my opinion: These men were given 10 years of false hope only to find that all their constructive work in the prison and personal growth was used to finally torture them.
    If there was any opportunity for a pardon it was clearly never intended. If they were to be executed it should have been swift if the government wanted to show that it was doing the right thing. They were caught in the act and admitted to the crime. I do not buy the excuse that the prison system is too clogged to perform a swift execution.
    I also believe that these men have transformed their lives from the inside out. In general there will always be people who just don’t like giving people a second chance, even when it is evident that there have been remarkable changes that have transformed the person into a better one.
    Indonesian Governor likes to appear merciful & give sentence cuts when he feels like it but what about in the desperate hour of mercy?
    You are spot on.
    Today it was revealed that the Indonesian governor stated that he has 64 inmates currently awaiting execution and he will not waver in his right to go through with it. So, basically any country with nationals sitting on death row are wasting their time trying to have these sentences overturned! Petitions, pleas, offers of treaty are never going to be accommodated or entertained. This is a very bad look for the Indonesian government. There are countries all over the world fighting desperately trying to free their citizens from death in the Indonesia prison system right now (one is a woman from the UK) And for what? How can their government admit that they will not even consider or review these sentences? Looks like the world is wasting their time here, these people will never recognise individual rehabilitation or take into consideration examples of reformed prisoners.
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    I'm just curious. I saw mentioned a couple times in this thread that Indonesia lets terrorists go. I'm just wondering what this is referring to? I remember when the Bali bombers were executed and so many Australians rejoiced.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HollyGolightly81 View Post
    I'm just curious. I saw mentioned a couple times in this thread that Indonesia lets terrorists go. I'm just wondering what this is referring to? I remember when the Bali bombers were executed and so many Australians rejoiced.
    The guy convicted of being one of the bomb makers got released after only serving 5 years:
    http://mobile.news.com.au/world/indo...-1227016024717

    Idris, the guy considered project manager and escorted van with explosives to Sari club is free and also Maskur Abdul Kadir who mixed the chemicals for bomb is free. Neither of last two served time as counter terrorism laws couldn't be applied retrospectively.

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    Only two were executed, two were killed in raids, and some of them only got as little as two years in prison, and one of the main guys got 20. 20 years for killing over a hundred people - meanwhile drug smugglers get death. It makes my blood boil.

    http://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/2...e-are-they-now

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    I'm just curious. I saw mentioned a couple times in this thread that Indonesia lets terrorists go. I'm just wondering what this is referring to? I remember when the Bali bombers were executed and so many Australians rejoiced.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SixtiesChild View Post
    H In general there will always be people who just don’t like giving people a second chance, even when it is evident that there have been remarkable changes that have transformed the person into a better one.
    I agree, I just find this attitude of not wanting to give people a second chance so odd, I struggle to understand it to be honest. Giving people a second chance is empathy and compassion in its most basic forms, and that we are able to do that is what sets us apart from the animal kingdom (not all I realise, but mostly). So to me, people who lack these things are lacking to most basic thing that makes us human.

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    I have had these brought to my attention, would be interested to see others views on the below, I have my understanding but am wondering if I may be in the minority.

    http://www.afp.gov.au/media-centre/n...edia-reporting


    http://www5.austlii.edu.au/au/cases/...A/2006/12.html

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    Hmmm, it's interesting, and they are right in they couldn't detain them before they left for Indonesia. My question is why didn't they let them board the plane and arrest them here? Surely we had more of a reason to do that, they weren't trafficking drugs into Indonesia, they were trafficking them here, so why couldn't we deal with the matter?

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    I have had these brought to my attention, would be interested to see others views on the below, I have my understanding but am wondering if I may be in the minority.

    http://www.afp.gov.au/media-centre/n...edia-reporting


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    Quote Originally Posted by beebs View Post
    Hmmm, it's interesting, and they are right in they couldn't detain them before they left for Indonesia. My question is why didn't they let them board the plane and arrest them here? Surely we had more of a reason to do that, they weren't trafficking drugs into Indonesia, they were trafficking them here, so why couldn't we deal with the matter?
    That was my thought. They didn't have to notify the INP but did anyway. They were effectively asking for assistance and it bit them in the bud so to speak.

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