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    Quote Originally Posted by Awesome Queen of Amazingtown View Post
    As far as I'm concerned the AFP has the blood of two Australian human beings on their hands.

    It's not about condoning drug trafficking. It's about the fact that the death penalty dehumanises us to the basest level of instinct over reason, that it devalues human life and inflict s pain and suffering on innocent family members. Life in prison and deprivation of liberty is sufficient punishment for me.
    @Apple iPhart6 the only thing that could make me take pause against my anti death penalty stance would probably be if someone did something to DS. But I still believe that I would be against it.

    Tbh I don't actually care if they are rehabilitated or not. The whole thing distresses me.
    Absolutely agree... These "kids" are people's sons, brothers, uncles and friends.

    I believe the majority would change their opinion if they were your own flesh and blood.

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    Default I stand for mercy...

    Quote Originally Posted by BigRedV View Post
    . But these 2 people were not just drug mules, they were co ring leaders. They had no regard for the lives of the mules or the people they were selling drugs to.
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    Pfftttt. This isn't a heinous crime. It's about time people who take the drugs accept their fair share of the blame.

    I'm scratching my head at the death penalty being in place for a crime where the 'victims' hold such a degree of culpability.

    Ridiculous. My heart is aching for poor Myuran and Andrew.
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    I agree with you a hundred percent VP. People keep using that excuse "killing our kids with drugs" etc. Well - if your kids choose to take drugs, then that is "their" choice, we can't all blame the bali 9 for all the drug users in the world. It makes no sense as an argument!

    I do however have sympathy for drug users, no one has ever said as a little child "when I grow up, I want to be a Junkie". Mental health issues come into massive play. Drug addicts - any addiction is an illness, and it needs to be treated as such.

    Quote Originally Posted by VicPark View Post
    Pfftttt. This isn't a heinous crime. It's about time people who take the drugs accept their fair share of the blame.

    I'm scratching my head at the death penalty being in place for a crime where the 'victims' hold such a degree of culpability.

    Ridiculous. Poor Myuran and Andrew xx

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    Quote Originally Posted by VicPark View Post
    Pfftttt. This isn't a heinous crime. It's about time people who take the drugs accept their fair share of the blame.

    I'm scratching my head at the death penalty being in place for a crime where the 'victims' hold such a degree of culpability.

    Ridiculous. My heart is aching for poor Myuran and Andrew.
    it is heinous to some in Indonesia and whether we agree with their sentencing or not, they took a risk that could and likely will result in them being Killed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by beebs View Post
    And also, they were trafficking out of Indonesia to Australia, wouldn't the Indonesians be far more upset if it were the other way around, i.e. bring heroin into Indonesia?
    Exactly!

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    Geeze girls, put it back in your pants. This isn't a debate thread! Start another one if you really need to. Please.

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    There is no single person, entity or event that we can blame with why we have drugs as such a big problem locally and globally. It is so complex.

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    I haven't read all the replies but...

    Rehabilitated, sorry, turned their lives around, really? Only because they have had to, because they got caught.

    Does anyone believe, if they got away with it, they wouldn't have done it again?

    They broke the law, in a country where the consequences are not just extreme but known to all.

    It's horrible, no doubt about it, but they knew the risk they were taking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GlasgowRose View Post
    I haven't read all the replies but...

    Rehabilitated, sorry, turned their lives around, really? Only because they have had to, because they got caught.

    Does anyone believe, if they got away with it, they wouldn't have done it again?

    They broke the law, in a country where the consequences are not just extreme but known to all.

    It's horrible, no doubt about it, but they knew the risk they were taking.
    You haven't read replies.

    Have you read the OP?

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    Default I stand for mercy...

    No one had said they shouldn't be punished. They broke the law of course they deserve consequences.

    The point is they are serving their time, without complaint and by all measurable accounts, have turned their lives around. Honestly I'm glad they got caught, I think 5 years in an Australian jail they would have learned nothing and come out and committed more crimes.

    Also as mentioned the sentencing consistency is not there. Other citizens in Bali with drug charges and even participants in the Bali bombing got less sentences.

    This is less about a countries laws and more about making a point that Indonesia is strong and powerful and merciless. Except when they are putting their greedy little hands out for our tax dollars in aid.....then they want mercy for themselves.

    If the executions go ahead I hope Australia is strong enough to remove our embassy and any aid that goes to Indonesia so at least they have consequences to their actions. That maybe they see that a tough prison sentence is just or even more effective than just shooting a human being like an animal.

    I stand for mercy

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