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    Quote Originally Posted by HollyGolightly81 View Post
    You kind of proved my point. Formulas do differ and can affect babies differently so the brand you choose is a choice that should be made thoughtfully, not because a company had more money to get their name out there.

    Formula also isn't 'hidden' from moms. It's very much a well-known option, if it wasn't then I would have more breastfeeding friends, clients and employers.
    But if it's a decision that should be made thoughtfully than surely women should be allowed to be exposed to multiple forms of education? I've had members here tell me formula mums don't need education bc "you put it in bottle and shake it". So on one hand we are told it's a complex decision, on the other that it's just formula according to what suits the argument best.

    I think there is a lot of shaming of formula mums. A small amount of ffers saying they feel that way could be chalked up to the usual 'you just feel guilty' but there is a pretty universal mentality (especially on line with formula bashing is rife) there has to be something to that. So while the actual concept isn't hidden the choice to ff is fraught with value judgments. And telling women they are too swayed/easily manipulated/too vulnerable to be able to make an educated decision can really make some women feel alienated.

    Even now I'm bristling at the idea that somehow I'm free to live my life and trusted to make informed decisions about a plethora of things but I'm not able to pick a formula without being tricked into it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigRedV View Post
    Formula comes from a COW. It is not normal and should not be thought of as such. It has become normalised. I can't blame people for thinking like this when they sell baby dolls in shops with bottles.
    This pretty much proves my point about the irony of this thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigRedV View Post
    Most only compare OECD nations, but I did find the too 10 bf nations. Interestingly, they are all very poor countries in Africa, South America and Asia.
    Yes I thought as much.

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    Quote Originally Posted by brooketobub View Post
    This pretty much proves my point about the irony of this thread.
    2/3 of my babies were formula fed. I even bought a tin of formula before my third arrived, just in case. It sat in the cupboard unused until I stopped bf at 12 months and then I gave it away. One reason bf rates are so poor is because formula is seen as normal (baby dolls with bottles is perfect example) however, formula in most cases is the alternative.

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    Quote Originally Posted by delirium View Post
    But if it's a decision that should be made thoughtfully than surely women should be allowed to be exposed to multiple forms of education?
    Education? Yes, absolutely and I don't think a single person has argued against that have they?

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    So I did some very basic digging and as of 2010:

    Australian breastfeeding statistics indicate we are falling well short of the above recommendations. Statistics from the 2010 Australian National Infant Feeding Survey3results indicate that 96% of mothers initiate breastfeeding. Thereafter, exclusive breastfeeding rates drop off. Less than half (39%) of babies are still being exclusively breastfed to 3 months (less than 4 months) and less than one quarter (15%) to 5 months (less than 6 months).

    https://www.breastfeeding.asn.au/bf-info/general-breastfeeding-information/breastfeeding-rates-australia

    In the USA:

    hat’s new this year?
    The percent of US infants who begin breastfeeding
    is high at 77%. While there is concern that infants are
    not breastfed for as long as recommended, the National
    Immunization Survey data show continued progress has
    been made over the last ten years. Of infants born in
    2010, 49% were breastfeeding at 6 months, up from 35%
    in 2000. The breastfeeding rate at 12 months increased
    from 16% to 27% during that same time period.

    http://www.cdc.gov/breastfeeding/pdf...reportcard.pdf

    So we have more women initally start bfing, but the rates of sustained bfing are significantly better in the US where advertising is legal. Factor that in with the fact that France has even worse rates than oz and has no ban.... and that tells me this may well be a case of correlation but no causation. That there are many many factors at play.

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    Quote Originally Posted by misskittyfantastico View Post
    Education? Yes, absolutely and I don't think a single person has argued against that have they?
    Where is the education though? I never received anything from med pros in fact I was told straight up they refused to give it to me bc that would be encouraging formula. I was left with a 5 day old baby, post c/s trying to work out sterilisation, formula etc on my own.

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    Quote Originally Posted by delirium View Post
    Where is the education though? I never received anything from med pros in fact I was told straight up they refused to give it to me bc that would be encouraging formula. I was left with a 5 day old baby, post c/s trying to work out sterilisation, formula etc on my own.
    And that is terrible but I do believe that this is changing. As I said in an earlier post when my first was born in 2005 - nada but when I had my third, I was shown how to mix it, different brands to use, how to heat it etc.. etc.. in two different hospitals. My CHN also gives advice on how to use formula. I know it's my own personal anecdote and I know this doesn't occur nationally but I do believe that women are being educated about how to use formula.

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    I think the term "exclusively breastfeeding" from the aba is misleading compared to the American one. No mention of exclusive breastfeeding in American article, just that mothers were still breastfeeding. On the aba website, they only include those who exclusively breastfed, which means not even 1 bottle of formula or any other milk substitute or solids before 6 months. I only managed exclusively breastfeeding with one baby. And even though I bf #2, he did have formula and solids before 6 months.
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    Quote Originally Posted by delirium View Post
    Where is the education though? I never received anything from med pros in fact I was told straight up they refused to give it to me bc that would be encouraging formula. I was left with a 5 day old baby, post c/s trying to work out sterilisation, formula etc on my own.
    At our hospital we educate all women on how to use formula/sterilise/store etc if they make an informed decision to ff. I think this is dependent on the particular health facility/health professional though.

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