My DS (10 weeks) is exactly the same as yours, even down to the fast let down and choking. I was told by the child health nurse that they outgrow their tummy issues by around 3ish months which is when their tummies start maturing and coping better. I use infacol and infants friend, baths, tummy pressure, and bicycle legs to help with the wind. Fast let down has been an issue that has been difficult to deal with for me personally and I've tried all the feeding positions, I just found that he has been dealing with the choking/letdown better as he's got bigger (which is what I was told by the lactation midwife and the GP). A couple of times DS has had greenish poo too but I don't know anything about intolerances so I'm not sure about that (I did dr google at the time though and it said that it was pretty normal for BF babies? Not sure).
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28-11-2014 17:58 #11
28-11-2014 18:08 #12
Oh I would like to add I have a very fast letdown too and used to spray everywhere if ds unlatched.
As with the green poos that can be normal in bfing babies, usually due to too much foremilk (also related to a strong letdown).
Eta: I have block fed since ds was very young due to oversupply.
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28-11-2014 18:14 #13-
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2. Try keeping bub awake when feeding by tickling feet/putting a wet face washer on bubs feet/face etc. Or stop half way, get up, walk around then sit back down to finish the feed. Always offer bith boobs. The idea is the more bub takes in the longer bub will sleep. That being said bub is probably waking after 15 mins because bub is falling asleep on the boob. Then when bub stirs between cycles or whenever and the boob isn't there bub goes "wtf... Where is my boob!". It is sometimes easier said than done but if you can put bub to bed drowsy but awake bub will sleep longer and have better night sleep down the track.
3. Not sure about intolerances. My bub was a spewer until about 4 months. What helped? Infacol, plenty of regular burping (every 3 minutes when he was younger). Don't go down an elimination diet route without checking with a doctor/MACH nurse (a lot of fussing around and if it's not needed you don't want to be doing it).
In summary breastfeeding sucked for me for the first 2-3 months but after that it is soooooooooooo much easier, enjoyable ... Cheap.
28-11-2014 19:06 #14
Hi! Sounds like my 10 week old. His cluster feeding has just dropped off this week. He often wakes 5-10 mins after falling asleep, which I attribute to either wind or over tiredness- over tired bubs can wake up in their light sleep stages. I don't really have any advice, just solidarity. Remember FF is a slippery slope and its hard to come back from it if bub does end up more windy from formula.
28-11-2014 19:58 #15Senior Member
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You first statement got me thinking. For a 9 week old i would be trying to get 3 one hour or so naps in rather than expecting a 2-3 hour. Its not until they are around one (well my kids anyway) that they change to one big nap. You say she cat napping. Is he hungry when he wakes up? if so i would try and wake him when he falls alseep (just take him off the boob, hold him up for burp), get him to feel more then put him down.
I wouldnt be expecting him to be awake for more than 2 hours as this age. Do you do the feed, play, (feed) sleep? Generally (my bubs) would wake in the morning around 7.30, feed, have a bit of a play (lay on the floor, a walk in the pram, a play with toys), feed again about 9am then sleep(they would fall asleep on the boob). Wake at about 10, feed, then play again, feed again about 11.30, sleep, wake at 1, feed, play, feed, sleep about 3 pm, wake about 4, feed, cluster feed til around 8 then sleep. would wake a couple of times in the night for feeds. then do it all again.
I would try and increase his time between feeds, just so he takes a bit more and gets fuller. You want to be feeding for at least 15 mins, this will allowe bub to get the hind milk which is richer and therefore keeps him fuller longer.
As for the wind, i would just hold him up for about 5 mins over your shoulder, even if hes alseep, then put him down.
Its very usual for BF bubs to go a long time between bowel movements...my DS when 14 days once.
Good luck, you are doing great!!
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28-11-2014 21:09 #16
He never really feeds to sleep as such, I still usually hold him and pat or rock him to sleep, but more refer to him falling asleep while he's feeding and cutting the feed short. If he cat naps even for 15 minutes he's usually awake after the feed and I hold him for 5-10 minutes before putting him down, but I'm pretty sure he's waking as he's not had enough but falls asleep as he's so tired.
From birth I'd always make sure his awake times weren't any longer than an hour to an hour 15, but his wind and tummy issues seem to be getting worse, so he's awake for far longer than that now and always goes into over tired territory.
DD is CMPI so at least with an elimination diet I know what I can and can't have which is a good start if it comes to that.
I agree about it being a slippery slope, I have good supply so I don't want to wreck that, especially after BFing DD was a disaster (poor supply and CMPI), but I guess if he is CMPI as well then it may be a reality.
I guess he also when he was born and for the first 7ish weeks, he would be on a great feed, "play", feed sleep routine and would go off to sleep without a fuss and feed well and sleep for 1-3 hours, it's just been recently the catnapping has started. The grassiness and grunting has always been around, but it seems to bother him so much more the last week or so that it's now interfering with his feeding and settling.
I will keep the 15 minute feed time in mind and try and stretch him out as much as possible, I do think the heap of fore milk he's getting is likely contributing to his gassiness.
28-11-2014 21:18 #17Senior Member
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Hi OP! I FF my DD so can't help with the food thing but the tummy issues sound like my DD around that age when she was feeding. We found when she started doing the grunt thing if we burped her as much as we could then lay her down sans nappy (with a towel, JIC) and bicycles her legs/rubbed her tummy in a kind of curved downward motion it helped get her far to out then she'd finish her feed and we'd do it again then she'd nap. Sometimes being held in a warm shower while doing the tummy rub thing helped too.
Good luck with BF and congrats on making it to 9 weeks!
28-11-2014 22:50 #18
Op if its just a recent thing could it be a wonder week? Ds would always get fussier with feeds and sleep when he was in one.
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29-11-2014 00:47 #19
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29-11-2014 05:19 #20
My LO cluster fed for what felt like forever.
I think for her it was just a comfort thing.
She also did the 10 minute sleep.
I found (I'm not sure if it's for you) that if i carried her in the manduca carrier she slept during the day.
It was the middle of a hot summer but at least she got some sleep and I had two free hands.
I don't think it sounds like there is anything wrong with your milk.
To me it just sounds like normal baby stuff, I could have written that post myself.
I found DD settled better from around 4 months.
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