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18-10-2014 09:32 #31
18-10-2014 09:36 #32
I personally still buy Vegemite - even when it was sold to an overseas company *shock horror*
The main complaint I have seen from boycotters is that it is an unnecessary certification for many products - such as the infamous Vegemite...and that the monies made from tis support religion [which is fair enough - I personally get a bit twitchy knowing that $245 million of tax payers money is funding aschool chaplaincy program!)
It is all about making money - *taken from Halal Australia website...
Why Halal Certify?
•The Halal industry experts believe the size of the total global Halal market including all types of Halal products, consumables and services to range from a minimum of US$1.2 trillion to US$2 trillion per annum (Global Halal Congress, 2010)
•According to the World Halal Forum 2009, Time Magazine (May, 2009) reported that the total size of global Halal food market is worth about US$ 632 billion a year. This figure would be higher still if the non-Muslim consumers market is included.
•Greater profit market share: no loss of non Muslim markets. The International Halal food trade has been estimated to be worth at least US$580 billion a year (Halal Journal, 2007).
•Certification assists domestic Halal food and consumable industries in the developments and promotion of Australia as an International Halal Hub, consequently exploiting a global Halal food market of about 1.8 billion people.
•Since Halal certification is not mandatory, a competitive advantage is gained over companies with no Halal certification.
•Halal certification imposes strict personal sanitation requirements in addition to manufacturing premise hygiene practices, complimentary to the HACCP program.
Some people are annoyed that these figures for annual individual contracts are not being reported.
Also the AFIC [Australian Federation of Islamic Council] has back in 2011 been in the news for pushing for a pluralist legal system in Australia - a 'moderate sharia'.
Of course with the current climate there are going to be people jumping on this, seeing the stamp and getting overly paranoid!
I for one don't think "vegemite = funding terrorism" ...but, I do think the process of Halal certification for basic products needs a little looking into.
18-10-2014 09:45 #33
I have honestly never come across someone boycotting halal foods for humane reasons before this thread. The place I come from is a small town with farms surrounding. I myself have gotten my own meat as it were after working in the shearing sheds. No one I knew cared about the origins. Though they all had a few drinks and were very vocal about anything foreign.
18-10-2014 09:46 #34Senior Member
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Technically Elijah's Mum and BigRedV you are both correct. I'm Muslim and I have relatives that own an abattoir, and this whole topic of Halal meat comes up surprisingly often in conversation. From what they've said I understand that in Australia there are currently two approaches to Halal slaughter, the large companies like Steggles, Ingham and large cattle abattoirs use the method of having an Imam (similar to a Priest) read a prayer over a large group of animals (or they often just play a recording of a prayer) and then they are slaughtered, the chickens are usually mechanically slaughtered just as they would be if they were non Halal and the cattle are often stunned first. Then there are smaller abattoirs that slaughter in the very traditional way of reading a prayer over every individual animal and hand slaughtering. These types of abattoirs are becoming less common though as they can't compete cost-wise with the larger companies.
Most Muslims that I know are happy to eat meat slaughtered the first way, some particularly orthodox Muslims prefer to spend more money to buy the second type of meat, but as I said this group is small hence why small operators are going out of business.
With regards to the Halal labeling, yes companies have to pay a fee to AFIC or whichever group is doing the certifying, this fee is basically to cover the cost of paying the wage of the person/people employed to do this job. If someone is spending time researching and liasing with companies to check what ingredients they are using and how the food is handled surely you would expect them to be paid for this. The money in no way supports terrorism and I find it absurd when people suggest this. Just because some terrorists are Muslims does not mean all Muslims are terrorists.
Also I just thought I'd mention the Prayer that is read for the animals is not some crazy voodoo thing, Islamic guidelines state that animals should only be killed if they are for food/ human need (clothing etc) and that they shouldn't be killed for fun or for sport. When we say a prayer (both before slaughtering, before cooking and before eating) we are thanking God for providing this sustenance for us.
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18-10-2014 09:46 #35
My XH worked in several meat works while we were married. The animal had to be facing Mecca and was blessed by someone of Muslim faith before they were killed. He never mentioned the draining of blood but I am pretty squirmish so he may have left that bit out.
Nothing would ever make me give up Vegemite lol but it honestly doesn't bother me that it and many other products my family consume are Halal certified.
18-10-2014 09:52 #36
If anyone wants to look any further into 'Halal Australia' (rather than just going by random FB posts)
here is a link...
They list showing Recognition & Affiliation
[I'm not sure if they have to pay tax or not, or whether they have religious exemptions?]
Last edited by FiveInTheBed; 18-10-2014 at 10:02.
18-10-2014 10:52 #37
So do Halal certified companies pay for this certification themselves out of the kindness of their hearts? I doubt it - i'm going to assume these costs are passed on to consumers?
18-10-2014 11:02 #38Senior Member
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I love how people say they refuse to eat halal meat as the way the animal killed was ''inhumane''.. well I think the way ANY animal is killed for us to eat is inhumane - halal or not. It makes no difference which way it was killed for me. It's inhumane regardless.
18-10-2014 11:13 #39-
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18-10-2014 11:15 #40
All the abbatoirs in WA are halal certified. The animal is stunned to unconscious then killed by having its throat cut. A prayer is said.
A) stressed animals don't taste good so in general abbatoirs are very calm places. It's in their best interest to treat the animals well.
B) you have to cut the animals throat because otherwise the blood would pool in the meat & make it gross.
We killed our own sheep growing up & this is exactly how my dad did it & he didn't give two $hits about halal or not, just kindest way to slaughter the animal to get meat for our family to eat.
I don't think it's a big deal at all.
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