- ??“An analysis in the Lancet showed how the Pneumococcal vaccine reduces only 4 cases of pneumonia per 1000 children. The cost for vaccinating 1000 children comes to $ 12,750. Treating the 4 cases of pneumonia in India using WHO protocol, would cost $ 1. The pneumococcus strains prevalent in India are nearly all sensitive to inexpensive antibiotics like penicillin. In the US which has been using the pneumococcal vaccine for some years now, there has been a strain shift – strains covered in the vaccine are being replaced by other strains. Ominously the new strains are more antibiotic resistant. Vaccine has simply made the problem of pneumococcal disease worse. Yet this vaccine is being pushed in Africa and Asia.…It is not about lives lost in poor countries – it is all about the cash register. These organizations and their sponsors have profit margins to protect. Ethics is not a major issue with them.”
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11-08-2014 09:53 #21
11-08-2014 09:59 #22
no - I dont see that as fair comment.
chicken pox in SOME children is not that serious - but in some its very serious ... and that can be prevented by a vaccine.
It also means LESS chance of adults getting chicken pox as
a) many retain their immunity
b) adults are exposed to the chicken pox virus less because its less prevalent in the community.
they are basically admitting that it works, just saying it costs too much. Yes, vaccinating that many children will indeed cost a bundle, but the benefit is not just 'herd immunity' - the benefit is that many children actually being vaccinated and therefore the statistical percentage who would have serious complications from chicken pox now not having that.
(for the record - my DD was vaccinated for chicken pox, and recently had chicken pox. She developed approximately 20 spots, was not ill in any way .. and the spots lasted approximately 48 hrs before some developed into small blisters and the rest faded away. I ended up going to the doctor to confirm that it actually WAS chicken pox as it was so mild)
11-08-2014 10:02 #23
To be honest think he's a quack, he is extremely biased and basic logic tells me herd immunity is reliant on vaccination (based on small pox etc.).
If it were down to "natural immunity" vaccinations would be ineffectual and people would have stopped using them ages ago.
11-08-2014 10:06 #24
Certainly big pharmaceutical companies are in it for the $ (and they are big $ we are talking about) and not solely for the health of the community. They are big business and fairly ruthless ...
But ... pneumococcal is pretty bad from what I understood. the chances of death or permanent disablement are pretty high - especially in areas like Africa and some parts of Asia where medical treatment isnt that good.
Yes - in Australia, If you are lucky and catch it early, and are in otherwise good health, you are likely to recover ... but in many countries, if that is likely to result in say 3 deaths or permanent disabilities in every 1000 people. Thats a lot (my figures here are not researched, I plucked a number out of the air as my understanding of the consequences ... it may be significantly different but its a good example nonetheless)
It is very hard to make a judgement on some of this stuff, as often the studies are sponsored by the very pharmaceutical industry which benefits from the vaccinations.
11-08-2014 10:14 #25
I would rather my kids 'possibly' need to redo their CP vax as adults than leave them the possibility of getting full blown CP as an adult.
Just my risk assessment.
11-08-2014 10:15 #26
I found the two articles difficult to take seriously because they were both implying that we're all sheep
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11-08-2014 10:20 #27
There really are two sides to the vaccine debate, and that is within the medical profession itself.
11-08-2014 10:22 #28
11-08-2014 10:22 #29
I admit I'm lacking in knowledge on this, but pneumoccal covers more than just pneumonia yes? it can be deadly.
Finally I bawk at the whole formula-like conspiracy theories. Yes the companies make money. They are a business. R&D costs billions given the strains do change. Are they greedy? probably. Doesn't mean the vaxxes don't work or it is a case against it. Vaxxing may cost govts a fortune, but then it saves a fortune in hospital stays, people live longer, work longer and pay more tax.
11-08-2014 10:26 #30
The vast majority of science says vaxxing works, herd immunity exists and the cause of outbreaks are non vaxxing families which make herd immunity drop. Given I'm not medically trained, I'm going to go with the vast majority than the questionable minority.
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