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    Quote Originally Posted by redlipsandpearls View Post
    They stated that they will continue to support all children having access to preschool in the year before starting school.
    oh well that's good news then.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ExcuseMyFrench View Post
    Well they proposed to ******line the current multiple subsidies (CCB and CCR) into one system.

    Which is a great idea

    Whether people are better off now or under the proposed system depends on many parameters - so one would need to check and do the maths.

    The new proposed subsidize is not based on childcare price like the CCB and CCR are but on deemed cost.
    Which is very dangerous.

    How could there be a one cost for all of Australia? Of course it is a lot more expensive to run a childcare centre in inner Sydney than it is in country Victoria.

    IMO it wouldn't make sense to leave the inner city people with higher out of pocket costs.
    Yep, got it I didn't pay enough attention to the part about the deemed cost.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BH-KatiesMum View Post
    - means testing it makes sense. Those on lower incomes SHOULD get more help than those on higher incomes.
    I agree and they already do. Good on them for making it even cheaper.

    Why wouldn't wealthy people pay more for public schools too then? (maybe they do actually? I don't know)
    I don't understand the huge disconnect between schools and childcare policies.

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    I like some of the points, activity testing for all payments is important and hopefully might free up spaces for people who are working.

    The deemed cost is ridiculous, but reminiscent of I think what they were trying to do with capping the rebate on IVF? (i.e. stop places from price gouging?)

    I've started reading the full report and this stands out so far:

    Current Australian Government assistance to families creates a strong
    disincentive for some parents to enter the workforce or to increase their hours of
    work. For some second income earners (usually mothers) who return to work
    and use ECEC, the combination of a drop-off in family tax benefits once family
    income rises, increasing income tax rates, and reduced ECEC assistance at
    higher income levels, can result in an effective marginal tax rate of close to 100
    per cent, particularly once work exceeds 3 days per week (figure 3). However,
    despite high effective marginal tax rates in the immediate future, parents (often
    those more qualified or with a career path) may continue working as they
    anticipate longer term private benefits from maintaining attachment to the
    workforce.

    This is a major issue. The current arrangements are a disincentive for middle and lower income workers to return to work after having children. This is what needs to change.
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    Childcare should be free for all

    Even in very wealthy family, why would a women go back to work if her wage goes straight into paying for childcare?
    The proposed system makes things worse for them.

    Of course they are wealthy so who cares if they are dependent on their husband income.

    What I would love to see is a change in how we regard early education.
    That children under 5yo receive a proper eduction is paramount. As a society it should be a priority to ensure that each child gets a professional education when earlier than 5-6yo.

    This report does nothing about that. And I don't think anyone should have to pay $25k per child per year for that.

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    Even if they made child care fbt free ... Many workplaces would then provide child care

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    Quote Originally Posted by ExcuseMyFrench View Post
    Childcare should be free for all

    Even in very wealthy family, why would a women go back to work if her wage goes straight into paying for childcare?
    The proposed system makes things worse for them.

    Of course they are wealthy so who cares if they are dependent on their husband income.

    What I would love to see is a change in how we regard early education.
    That children under 5yo receive a proper eduction is paramount. As a society it should be a priority to ensure that each child gets a professional education when earlier than 5-6yo.

    This report does nothing about that. And I don't think anyone should have to pay $25k per child per year for that.
    I thought that learning in the pre school years was supposed to be child led and play based? If parents make an effort, they can do that at home.

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    918 pages??? I can't read that! Where's the cheats table that says what CCR someone will get based on their income?

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    Quote Originally Posted by redlipsandpearls View Post
    I thought that learning in the pre school years was supposed to be child led and play based? If parents make an effort, they can do that at home.
    Pre school is different than we were kids. It's really what kinder/prep was for us. They learn how to write their names, learn numbers, how to sit on the mat and have self control. Basic fine and gross motor skills. Early childhood teachers are just that, qualified teachers with degrees. There's much more to pre school now than just playing.

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    I've started reading the report and it even says in there that the evidence is not there to show benefits for children 3 and under, which is why they are only funding universal access for the year before schooling starts. Except for children with special needs or those who are at risk of harm at home.

    I use child care so I can go to work, there is nothing they do there that I cannot do with my kids, I don't think we need universal early education prior to age 3 or even prior to the preschool year.
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