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    Oh yeah cause if you can't find work you must be a drug addict, naturally.. Especially if you live out west. How the **** does this government get away with marginalizing and really egging people on to have such negative bias and hatred towards other people. This government is the worst ever!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ProudMumma34 View Post
    You must be talking about the basics card Indigoj. They call it income management.

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    Probably. Mum just moved there (she is wooffing) she lives in the middle of nowhere, she says she went to the shop (1hr away) and got a burger and had to ring centrelink to pay for it as they didn't accept green card and she didn't want to use her cash on food. She said she had never felt so humiliated, she is a 50yo woman who has looked after herself since she was 15.

    I think drug testing people is right up there in the humiliation factor.

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    Hold on, other subsections of the community are required to undergo rigorous medical assessments, be drug tested, breath tested, and personality/intelligence tested at work so why not for the dole? Peeing in a cup actually isn't a big deal if you don't use drugs, which are illegal anyhow. I actually think that is fair. I also think its a good idea considering we currently have an out of control ice problem. I'm not saying it will fix the problem necessarily but it may be a deterrent, which I think if you look at what's happening in some communities is going to be worthwhile, especially if a positive test is followed by an intervention such as referral to ATODS, counselling or the like. Could this prevent some people ruining their lives with criminal records and going through drug court? Possibly... It certainly means you might come to the attention of authorities sooner which might stop you changing your life instead of being forced into rehab by drug court.

    As most people on the dole actually don't use drugs, the early trial has shown, I think it is important to remember that this intervention is really only targeted at a small subsection of the community that *might* benefit long term.
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    We must undergo random drug and alcohol tests at work, I think you'll find most companies have it written in the rules.
    Yes it's rarely enforced but to get in we needed to pass a medical.
    If they can't pass the dole test how will they pass the recruitment phase.

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    Quote Originally Posted by maternidade View Post
    We must undergo random drug and alcohol tests at work, I think you'll find most companies have it written in the rules.
    Yes it's rarely enforced but to get in we needed to pass a medical.
    If they can't pass the dole test how will they pass the recruitment phase.
    My work place doesn't have drug and alcohol testing

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    Quote Originally Posted by Butterfly39 View Post
    Hold on, we are drug tested at work so why not for the dole. Peeing in a cup actually isn't a big deal if you don't use drugs, which are illegal anyhow. I actually think that is fair. I also think its a good idea considering we currently have an out of control ice problem.
    But it suggests that only those on receiving benefits are using ice or any illicit substance and that's simply not the case.
    Given that alcohol and nicotine cost us, as a society, more than any treatment for illegal drugs, why isn't this extended to alcohol and nicotine?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Butterfly39 View Post
    Hold on, we are drug tested at work so why not for the dole. Peeing in a cup actually isn't a big deal if you don't use drugs, which are illegal anyhow. I actually think that is fair. I also think its a good idea considering we currently have an out of control ice problem.
    I'm assuming there is a reason why you and your colleagues are required to undergo drug testing (eg operating machinery etc) - I have no issue with that. The objective there is to ensure employees are capable and competent to undertake their work obligations in a safe manner. Recently my DF had to fire 3 employees because they drug tested positive and his workplace is no place for people who are not 'all there' - it's a safety hazard on many levels. The problem is the purpose and motive for wanting to drug test dole recipients. Why is this being suggested? What are they going to do with the information? Stop payments or offer comprehensive drug counselling and rehab? My guess is the former. What will that achieve? Well, the gov't can say they've 'saved' money (although I would argue it would be incredibly short sighted and takes no account of knock-on impacts) and are not supporting drug addicts.

    I wonder how many bottles of wine have been bought and drunk by senior politicians on tax payer money...

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    Quote Originally Posted by firsttimemum34 View Post
    But it suggests that only those on receiving benefits are using ice or any illicit substance and that's simply not the case.
    Given that alcohol and nicotine cost us, as a society, more than any treatment for illegal drugs, why isn't this extended to alcohol and nicotine?
    Well, smoking and alcohol are illegal in most workplaces, and many workers are breath tested actually.

    We know that people who are not on the dole use illicit substances and that is why workplaces have policies about this, and drug testing at work where operation of machinery etc takes place. I think the message is not 'everyone on the dole is a drug addict', nowhere was that said.

    I really believe that we as a society need to follow European countries in the management of drug problems creating deterrents rather than tying up the legal system with addicts and users because addiction in my view, is essentially a health problem and should be dealt with accordingly.

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    Let's face it this government is not introducing this because it cares deeply about the ice problem or drug addiction generally. If it did it wouldn't slash funding for mental health and hospitals.

    This is purely and simply a way to cut benefits from a sector in society that needs support and help. Simply taking away money will not overnight stop their drug addiction without proper support facilities. I don't know what they do in NZ but I imagine there is an holistic approach to this yet it's still ineffective.

    If this was part of a genuine package of drug reforms I wouldn't be so cynical.

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    I agree 100% that this is a health problem. I just don't see this being the purpose of this policy. It's punitive.

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