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    Quote Originally Posted by VicPark View Post
    I disagree... Unless you are counting road usage etc.... I'm only counting $ specifically assigned to a person (CCR, CCb, phi rebate, pension etc)
    Yes I'm counting everything - I don't believe it makes sense not to.
    Between the education you received, the health services during your life, the pension, the roads, the police, etc, we mostly all get what we paid for.

    Businesses on the other end could argue and whinge about "their" tax dollars.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GingerKat View Post
    For goodness sake THIS government is not introducing anything just yet, they are merely reviewing the NZ model to see if it's something we may find valuable for the Australian welfare system. Way to jump the gun!

    Personally I don't think it would work and I think it's the wrong way to deal with the drug problem we have in our communities. But I am glad that the government are trying to find ways to save wasted welfare payments - I don't like my tax dollars going into someone's arm.
    Yes Abbott all bit said never when asked about this on bolt today

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    Quote Originally Posted by Butterfly39 View Post
    Hold on, other subsections of the community are required to undergo rigorous medical assessments, be drug tested, breath tested, and personality/intelligence tested at work so why not for the dole? Peeing in a cup actually isn't a big deal if you don't use drugs, which are illegal anyhow. I actually think that is fair. I also think its a good idea considering we currently have an out of control ice problem. I'm not saying it will fix the problem necessarily but it may be a deterrent, which I think if you look at what's happening in some communities is going to be worthwhile, especially if a positive test is followed by an intervention such as referral to ATODS, counselling or the like. Could this prevent some people ruining their lives with criminal records and going through drug court? Possibly... It certainly means you might come to the attention of authorities sooner which might stop you changing your life instead of being forced into rehab by drug court.

    As most people on the dole actually don't use drugs, the early trial has shown, I think it is important to remember that this intervention is really only targeted at a small subsection of the community that *might* benefit long term.
    Exactly this.

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    Then that is my family. I still don't consider them "our tax dollars", once they are paid, they are paid and that is it. Although, to be honest, if I wanted to ***** about it, I would be way more concerned about my tax dollars being to subsides big business and mining magnates!

    Quote Originally Posted by VicPark View Post
    I disagree... Unless you are counting road usage etc.... I'm only counting $ specifically assigned to a person (CCR, CCb, phi rebate, pension etc)

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    Quote Originally Posted by GingerKat View Post
    i don't think you ladies realise that you seem to have a bit of a bully mentality. I am like you allowed to express my opinion, but I don't think the sarcastic and quasi-aggressive tones are completely necessary.
    Most people on this agree with each other on a topic. That is not a bully mentality at all. I'm sorry that you feel that way, I personally am just speaking as I feel, and I'd feel the same and say the same things - even if everyone else disagreed with me. No bullying about it.

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    Haven't read the whole thread.

    I will say the idea makes me very angry. It dehumanises and demonises people simply for being poor, and makes a whole lot of assumptions about a group of people, because they are divorced or happen to be unemployed etc. it's absurd and has been proven to be a costly waste of money.

    There's so much wrong with the idea it's hard to narrow it down really.

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    I think people are forgetting drugs are illegal and police currently can and will test within reason

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    Quote Originally Posted by maternidade View Post
    I think people are forgetting drugs are illegal and police currently can and will test within reason
    Drugs are illegal for *all* people, not just those who access welfare...

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    I don't have a problem at all with police testing "within reason" - if they suspect someone is doing drugs driving under the influence etc. But randomly testing an entire subsection of the community? That isn't "within reason" at all.

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    I think people are forgetting drugs are illegal and police currently can and will test within reason

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    Quote Originally Posted by beebs View Post
    Then that is my family. I still don't consider them "our tax dollars", once they are paid, they are paid and that is it. Although, to be honest, if I wanted to ***** about it, I would be way more concerned about my tax dollars being to subsides big business and mining magnates!
    And school chaplain services!

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