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    I read an article today which stated that the 6 months wait is reduced by 1 month for every year you have previously worked (it didn't specify full time, part time or casual). So if you happen to lose your job but have a decent work history then it wouldn't be quite so bad.

    Don't get me wrong, I don't agree with what they are proposing, but if it's not so easy to just sloth your days away on the couch as soon as you leave school, it may encourage kids to try harder at school because they won't be paid for being lazy. A nice thought, but I wish we could find a better way to do it!


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    Has there been an opinion poll since budget?

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    I know right?? 243 million to the chaplaincy and 5 million to science. Makes my blood boil!

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    Indeed.

    The amount of Chaplaincy funding just boils my noodles... Honestly, it's such a random and personal agenda considering we're so badly 'in debt'

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    See, I totally agree that young people should be earning or learning. If kids under 25 aren't employed they should be in some kind of education. The government will support young people so long as they are earning or learning. Sounds fair.
    I agree, so the obvious thing would be don't cut traineeship funding, and don't make university and TAFE unaffordable, all of which this Government is planning to do.

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    Looks like there is a fair bit of support for deregulating uni fees. Guess it might be the might be the first part of the budget to make it through the senate?

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    I read the Lib Facebook page and there were very little support messages. Maybe 1 out of 10?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arlais View Post
    I read an article today which stated that the 6 months wait is reduced by 1 month for every year you have previously worked (it didn't specify full time, part time or casual). So if you happen to lose your job but have a decent work history then it wouldn't be quite so bad.

    Don't get me wrong, I don't agree with what they are proposing, but if it's not so easy to just sloth your days away on the couch as soon as you leave school, it may encourage kids to try harder at school because they won't be paid for being lazy. A nice thought, but I wish we could find a better way to do it!


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    What about the kids who try hard but still don't do well? Or like a friend of mine, who lost her brother a week before her Year 12 exams and completely bombed out. Lack of success/options isn't always a result of lack of effort...

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    Quote Originally Posted by mrsharvey View Post
    What about the kids who try hard but still don't do well? Or like a friend of mine, who lost her brother a week before her Year 12 exams and completely bombed out. Lack of success/options isn't always a result of lack of effort...
    Admittedly it has been many years since I did year 12, but I thought there were special consideration arrangements for situations like that? They should have been able to look at her results throughout the year and use that for a final score.

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    Earn or learn is a great idea on the surface. Ideally, people who are able should be either working or training. However, the job market is very tight at the moment and has been for a while. Few people just walk into employment.

    What happens when the under 30 finish their course and are looking for work? Tough, you are on your own for 6 months?? I have an excellent resume, oodles of experience and a uni degree, it still took me 6 months to find employment.

    This policy idea appears to have little understanding of the reality of the current job market. While a small minority are probably uninterested in working, the rest of the unemployed are depressed and demoralised at the serious lack of employment opportunities out there right now.

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    [QUOTE=mrsharvey;7778265]
    Quote Originally Posted by Acadaca View Post

    Which raises the question - why 25? Why is 26 ok?

    But I do totally get what you're saying. My issue is that 'learning' in the higher education sense doesn't suit everyone. Have you ever tried to teach a class of teenagers since the leaving age was raised to 16 (as it has been in SA?) who have a learning style that doesn't suit the traditional high school model? Or tried to teach a young Aboriginal boy who adores horses and all he wants is to work on the land, and cannot see at all what relevance Anglo-centric academic education systems have to his life goals? TAFE is supposedly more vocational than university, but still has a lecture/tutorial/assignment/exam methodology for many of its components.

    Perhaps if 'learning' were broadened to the Government pouring funding into apprenticeships and learn-on-the-job kind of scenarios then there would be hope.
    Yes, I have very regularly taught these people. There are options out there. Most schools are focusing on certificates and I think they are trying to impress on young people that it will be hard for them to get a job without many years of study/apprenticeship etc. Young kids think they'll be able to walk into a diesel mechanic apprenticeship at 16 but the reality is much harder. 400 applicants to 1 apprenticeship.

    I couldn't agree more that the deregulating of universities will make the earning or learning thing harder. They haven't done that right. Agree more money should be invested in training and education. Agree that it makes no sense to leave unemployed people without support for the first 6 months, that's when they'll need it most.

    I'm guessing the cut-off is 25 because that's when your QCE (in qld not sure about other states ) is finalised? Not sure how they got that.
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