OP, completely agree. This is why I resorted to sleep training, after a near miss where I could of not only killed myself and child, but the family in the other car. I was dangerous and negligent, and the courts would of seen it the same.
I am not talking about driving whilst tired, but FATIGUED......
People would never drive drunk but don't wee anything wrong with being behind the wheel of a lethal machine exhausted and not thinking correctly.
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15-11-2013 13:03 #21
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15-11-2013 13:15 #22
But true fatigue where I cant actually drive or may fall asleep? Nope. Never come close to falling asleep behind the wheel and if I feel tired before going to get my son I drink a can of coke or a red bull, eat something sugary and splash my face with cold water.
I literally only get 4-5 hours sleep a night. Have done pretty much since DS1 was born. But it feels normal to me now and I am nowhere near as tired now as I was when DS1 was a baby who never slept. I'll admit to pulling into the carpark of a quiet shopping centre and having a nap in my car in the undercover carpark with DS1 asleep in his carseat cos I was exhausted.
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15-11-2013 13:21 #23
When I was experiencing real genuine fatigue with my first really bad non sleeping baby, I probably never really thought about it. But at that stage I was living in walking distance to everything, and because he was such a bad sleeper, I spent a lot of time walking him around in the pram, not driving anywhere.
Now, if I have one rough night, I don't feel so fatigued I can't drive, and not having a 5 hour block (but a couple of hours blocks in chunks over the night) is reasonably normal for me and I am able to function normally.
We do have a fatigue management plan at work (continual shift roster) and it looks at a period of time, not just one night to establish levels of fatigue.
I am really aware of fatigue that comes from driving long distances and always stop as much as I need to on longer drives.
I certainly think if you are experiencing ongoing, severe sleep deprivation you would need to look at ways to manage risk on the roads.
15-11-2013 13:55 #24
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15-11-2013 14:08 #25
It certainly seems sometimes that parents can do no right at times.
But that does not mean we should not talk about things that could place ourselves or others at risk, it can be an opportunity to provide food for thought, or a starting point to do some more research.
Ignorance is not bliss.
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15-11-2013 14:08 #26
I'm going to put my hand up here and say I drive TIRED regularly, or I would seriously never ever go anywhere; I would only make it to work a handful of times a year, and by the same token, I would get to work and not be able to leave at the end of my workday! It's 2pm now and I have been up since 4am this morning after tossing and turning all night. I am stuffed.. But I am still going to drive home after work!
I also get up in the middle of the night to pick dh up if he has been out and then struggle to get back to sleep when we get home, and then have my alarm wake me up to go to work the next morning at the crack of dawn. Or, if we go out to a dinner/birthday function that might not mean we are going home til midnight, I drive home.. Tired.
I honestly dont feel that I've ever been so tired that I could fall asleep at the wheel. Even if I am really tired and DH drives, I cant fall asleep in a car!
I wouldnt call any level of tiredness I have ever felt, fatigue.
In comparing my tiredness to drunkness though, I guess you could say that I've had one drink at some point in the hours preceeding my drive, as opposed to being anywhere near or over the legal limit...
15-11-2013 14:09 #27
Cheesecake, you are the only one taking this thread down that path ...
15-11-2013 14:14 #28
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15-11-2013 14:43 #29
I agree, driver fatigue is a huge concern and so many don't seem to see it. As I pointed out in the other thread, people on auto pilot have issues of some sort quite possibly it is fatigue that causes you to go onto auto pilot. Do not drive if you are too tired and not focused. I'm not perfect as some thought I was implying. I suffered sleep deprivation big time with ds1 but had the common sense not to drive if I didn't feel in the right frame of mind to do so.
15-11-2013 15:12 #30
To those saying 'oh it takes a lot for me to feel really tired' I liken that to saying 'oh I can drink loads and not feel drunk'. Your own perception is not the best gauge in identifying what your reaction times will be like.
I remember seeing a doco about sleep deprivation and they tested people's reaction times after 1 night of little sleep, then after 2 then 3. The results were utterly shocking. I wish I could remember where I saw it so I could try to link
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