Here's a good tip... anything that claims "scientifically proven" is almost certainly not. As I said earlier, science never proves anything... it fails to disprove. "Scientifically proven" is mostly used by marketers, and sometimes by the media more generally.
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31-10-2013 08:01 #111
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31-10-2013 10:27 #112
To answer this question directly (eg. in the context of how science is quoted in Bubhub) I note that often it's a case of the person not being able to read a scientific paper or comprehend the language used.
I know I didn't. But I'm married to a scientist and he has since changed my ways. LOL. But even still, unless I'm speaking with an audience of similar minds, I won't refer to scientific studies to back up a point as I find that 99.9% of the time it's misunderstood or not understood at all.
There are a lot of claims in here that use what I term as "poor science" to back up their claims. I don't go near them. No point. Just turns into a sheetfight.
This is not a negative criticism as such but it is frustrating and annoying that some Hubbers will rely on material they don't understand to complete their arguments.
So for me it's not so much a matter of believing everything that science proves but learning to ignore those with no scientific education who use science as a crutch.
31-10-2013 10:56 #113
I also don't believe in anything that science or common sense cannot prove / or fails to disprove.
31-10-2013 13:23 #114
Is always required. Take vaccines for example- I can read studies and follow the outcomes and interpret data that shows vaccines are safe and effective for the vast majority. Backing me up, the govt endorses, recommends and pays for said vaccines. I don't need a degree to tell me that logic states the govt acts in recommendations of people qualified to do so. So I'm pretty confident in that one.
I think it's certainly true that some studies are well out of my scope- others are not. It's a bit rough to assume that someone without a degree is completely incapable of understanding scientific findings.
31-10-2013 15:56 #115
I think you have misunderstood my post, Atropos.
To have an education or to be educated about something does not mean one has to have partaken in formal education. The assumption that someone requires a degree to be able to read a scientific paper is purely yours, not mine.
31-10-2013 18:13 #116
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31-10-2013 18:40 #117
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01-11-2013 06:20 #118
I'm reading a great book related to this discussion - "Bad Pharma" - Ben Goldacre. Apparently peer reviewed studies aren't painting the whole picture of research. I had no idea companies could sanction say, 7 studies on the one subject and choose to only have, for example, the 2 positive results published, and disappear away the 5 negative... shows me a whole new side to accessible scientific research. Absolutely recommend this read to anyone with the time and inclination.
01-11-2013 07:57 #119
Ben Goldacre also wrote a great book called "Bad Science". Definitely recommend that one too!
03-11-2013 23:28 #120
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