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    Default Do you believe everything science 'proves'

    So time and time again on BH I see women arguing the so called 'facts' of science.

    I'm no scientist myself and although I know a lot about certain topics, there are heaps of things I don't know and don't 'research' either, unless its something I am interested in or directly affects me.

    I'm genuinely curious about people's beliefs in so called scientific facts. I mean often there have been things which scientists have apparently researched and 'proven' only for us to be told years later that they were wrong!

    To be honest, I often feel like I'm being made to feel stupid just for not agreeing with someone's opinion based on their apparent knowledge of 'scientific fact' and I just can't be bothered to research it myself and argue my point. (Sometimes I just like to give MY personal view or experience and leave it at that, whereas others seem to believe they are ALWAYS right and keep arguing their point and throw in the words 'scientific research' etc)

    I can see I'm going to be made to feel stupid here for my apparent lack of knowledge but oh well. Lets try play nice, I'm just curious.

    Do you believe everything science has 'proven' and WHY

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    This is why I very rarely click on any 'scientific evidence' posted in some threads. A lot of stuff on google is a load of rubbish. Unless its from a legit research group then I wouldn't consider reading. And even then I still don't think it's necessarily correct.

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    I don't have time to research all science facts.

    Chiro helped my son, it was like a miracle. I don't care if science says it's wrong or it was just coincidence, it helped him out of sight and I believe it was the Chiro treatment.

    Chiro didn't do diddly squat for my dd2, but I still believe it helped my son. They had different issues.

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    I'm a science based person. I love science. But there's hard science (where facts are facts and really absolutely nothing will change that. I.e. water is wet, Earth is round, sun rises and sets in certain places due to the Earth spinning in a particular direction). And there are soft sciences, so mainly anything pertaining to the human psyche/development, etc. Anything that doesn't have a definite, really.

    I believe in hard science and I leave room for my views to change for soft science, or science that will change depending on human error or misunderstanding and human growth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jennaisme View Post
    I'm a science based person. I love science. But there's hard science (where facts are facts and really absolutely nothing will change that. I.e. water is wet, Earth is round, sun rises and sets in certain places due to the Earth spinning in a particular direction). And there are soft sciences, so mainly anything pertaining to the human psyche/development, etc. Anything that doesn't have a definite, really.

    I believe in hard science and I leave room for my views to change for soft science, or science that will change depending on human error or misunderstanding and human growth.

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    Well see that's how I feel mostly too, it just seems that whenever there is some form of debate about something, there are people throwing around their 'scientific facts' and often making others feel stupid, when in fact, the science behind it COULD be wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SAgirl View Post
    Well see that's how I feel mostly too, it just seems that whenever there is some form of debate about something, there are people throwing around their 'scientific facts' and often making others feel stupid, when in fact, the science behind it COULD be wrong.
    It could be but as with anything, trusting the science presented while maintaining a level of "this COULD be wrong, however its the best information we have about this subject" is kind of the best way to go about it. Or thats how I figure it, anyway. Or there'll be a lot of time second guessing everything, really.

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    I don't know if I believe 'everything science has proven' because I don't know everything science has proven. I do however, have much much more faith in the opinions or research of someone who is well studied in a field, than someone who has no real knowledge or background in a given area.

    Evidence based/peer-reviewed work doesn't come from nowhere. People devote their entire careers to research. So I think it's very relevant and even required to refer to actual opinions/facts/research during a discussion on scientific or otherwise topics. I really hate it when people dismiss scientific evidence, as though they know more than people well studied in those areas (not saying you do OP, just generally speaking). It's incredibly disrespectful.

    So, if its scientific fact coming from genuine credible sources I am much more inlined to believe that than joe blogs next door with no scientific background, yes.

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    To understand a topic, to be able to seperate the wheat from the chaff, one must read widely. There is no getting around this. It is only by understanding a topic from multiple viewpoints that you may comprehend the whole.

    Much of science is theory. If one wishes to comprehend absolute truth, one must be willing and able to separate the theoretical from the factual. The end point is developing your own theories about the topic.

    Therefore, to think critically, you must also be aware of your own internal biases.

    The phrase 'to believe in science'... Is paradoxical because the word belief implies human opinion, which is best avoided when evaluating facts. To 'not believe in science' would mean denying obvious realities such as gravity.

    A former great teacher of mine always laughed - when I answered his questions with 'I believe'.....
    He would exclaim, 'you believe you believe? do you believe or do you KNOW?'
    Unless you can seperate fact from opinion, you are no closer to truth about anything than you are to the fairies at the bottom of the garden.

    Accept nothing as absolute unless you can verify it (or prove it) yourself.... The corollary of 'accept nothing' then becomes 'trust no one'.... when challenged, people will usually recount their beliefs, which are often biased. This is, essentially, human nature.

    If knowledge is power, then only the educated are free - Nelson Mandela

    To find yourself, think for yourself - Aristotle
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    Depends how controlled the studies are and where they are coming from. I believe in science based research but regardless it's still easy to skew data to suit hypothesis. I went to a seminar by Layne Norton and he was talking about how in one study he conducted his data was not matching his hypothesis. He kept running the data over and over again until his mentor told him he must change his hypothesis to suit the data not try to skew the data to suit his hypothesis. I think that's exactly how it should be but people don't always necessarily do that though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fleetwood View Post
    I don't know if I believe 'everything science has proven' because I don't know everything science has proven. I do however, have much much more faith in the opinions or research of someone who is well studied in a field, than someone who has no real knowledge or background in a given area.

    Evidence based/peer-reviewed work doesn't come from nowhere. People devote their entire careers to research. So I think it's very relevant and even required to refer to actual opinions/facts/research during a discussion on scientific or otherwise topics. I really hate it when people dismiss scientific evidence, as though they know more than people well studied in those areas (not saying you do OP, just generally speaking). It's incredibly disrespectful.

    So, if its scientific fact coming from genuine credible sources I am much more inlined to believe that than joe blogs next door with no scientific background, yes.
    Yeah this. Having studied a science based degree for many years and actually conducting and being part of research I wholeheartedly believe in science! But I also believe science, research and statistics are pretty widely misunderstood and yet that doesn't stop people from (mis)using it to try and give weight to their arguments.

    I once saw a research paper being used on the hub to state pretty much the opposite of what it was it was intended for and it caught on like wildfire with a whole bunch of people (mis) quoting tiny portions that they had read and other people swallowing it up like sugar without a second glance because it served their purpose. Still to this day people (mis) quote that paper & it takes all my restraint not to say 'it does not mean, what you think it means'.

    So I think even good science can be pretty useless in the wrong hands. And it's this kind of thing that makes people wary of science in threads and have them state they don't believe it, when really we all accept science in almost every aspect of our every day lives most of the time unconsciously.

    I guess my point is don't throw the baby out with the bath water!

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