Silly question but have you asked her why? I'm have heard of kids being afraid of the plopping sound.
Maybe buy a potty & decorate it together & make it her special place until she gets used to having bowel movements again.
I know my 4 year old nephew refuses to do one at daycare & will hold it until he gets home.
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04-10-2013 04:49 #11
04-10-2013 05:55 #12
DEFINITELY movicol. Best thing ever to help out.
And I second getting your daughter seen at a specialist clinic, gp's were useless for me, gave me the movicol, but didn't explain anything. Then I demanded he be seen at the specialist clinic, and the constipation nurse explained everything so well, got me on a specific plan and it has been just so much better since.
Hope your daughter is improving soon.
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04-10-2013 06:26 #13
You can get choc movicol now
04-10-2013 09:55 #14
EvaandOllie, you have been such a huge help.
Called my GP, was told to use up to 4 of the movicole today... I might just start on one lol.
I asked about the clinic, he said it "could" be an option..... Oh well I'll be going anyway.
Dd woke up with where we left off last night, tried to give her the movicole, she gaged and spat it out I tried a sip myself and it's not to bad, but I got half into her by putting it into a syringe (she loves taking medicine, so I just kept using the syringe)
I might buy some cordial to put it into, she has never had sugary drinks so she might go all crazy for it, the chocolate movicole is also an option.
My dh works away so he usually isn't home to see how much she gets effected by this, he has seen it once or twice but as luck would have it the times he is home she isn't really bad, he usually tells me not to stress about it.
Well he was home yesterday and last night and he was the one trying most of the encouraging, holding her when she was crying as I was just to upset to be around it, from 1pm to 10:30pm he pretty much sat in the lounge room trying to soothe her etc.
He it's pretty shocked by the whole thing and now agrees something needs to be done.
I don't feel so alone anymore knowing he fully understands now, and hopefully understand why some days when he gets home it is the way it is.
Until Wednesday when I can call the clinic there isn't much more I can do other than what I'm doing, so until then ill just stick to distracting her, her body usually gives up after a few days, the longest we have ever gone is 10 days.
I can either sit with her and stress over it while she holds it in for days, or I can have fun with her and give her body a few days to give up.
The later sound better for now.
I have thought for a long time now she might have a blockage and laxatives just cause poo around the blockage to seep out.
I suppose an enema might be an option then but I would rather talk to a specialist before going down that route as I don't want to frighten her more if there is other options iykwim.
Ill keep you updated with how the movicole and clinic go.
I'm feeling more positive today that others have gone through this and have come out ok.
My husband suggested last night it could have started when she started having allergies.
She would always have a upset tummy since birth, the whole constipation/holding poo started from a few months old really the she would have the runs pretty bad.
We didn't find out she had a CMP allergy until she was 11 months after a full allergy test was done because she went into anaphylactic shock after having fish fingers.
She then had another attack when having some eggs a few months later, that was the worst as dh had to hold her down whilst I put the pen into her thigh, I was a mess as the ambulance seemed to be taking forever, dd was uncontrollable after the pin down/ jabbed in the thigh thing, she was in hospital for awhile with people taking her temp rectally every few hours which she hated, the hospital was frightening for her and her body was not giving up the reaction quick enough so who knows how she felt at that point of time.
she had horrible diarrhea for weeks after, her anus was cracked and bleeding from it, for 3 weeks she was frightened of everything.
Now I look back and the issues did get progressively get worse from there, I've never thought it to be a possible cause as the last thing on my mind during those times was her doing a poo, I was just stressed out and worried with the allergies.
I'm inclined to think that now she is older and her muscles are stronger she can just hold it for much longer than before.
04-10-2013 12:56 #15
She loves her toilet she likes the idea of doing wee's and poos in it... She is perfect with wee's, never had an accident! (Touch wood) it's just poos.
I know it's not fear of the toilet but fear of the poo itself.
She has only ever done 1 small poo on the toilet, no plopping sound as I put heaps of toilet paper down.
It's all very complex lol.
I'm hoping once we get her bowels normal again we can get her going to the toilet.
At the moment she is in pull ups all day for the poo, but she will take them off every time for a wee and they have never been wet.
She asks for a pull up to be on when she tries to poo so at this stage I've just gone with what ever she feels most comfortable in to do a poo to avoid enemas
04-10-2013 21:03 #16
I'm am so glad to her that I could be of some help and that you are feeling more positive Your husband sounds like he was amazing last night when he realized what it was really like, its so hard to explain just how bad it is.
You and your DD have been through so much already! I definitely so why your reluctant to avoid enemas and personally think that's the right choice. They were never part of DDs treatment from the clinic so hopefully they won't be part of your DDs either, if there was a blockage a few days of movicol should be sufficient to soften it. My DD would never drink movicol by itself either, we had to add a little bit of lemon cordial to it once it was mixed, we gave it to her right before she brushed her teeth for the night and went to bed.
I hope you've had a nice day today now that your feeling a bit better about it all
04-10-2013 21:19 #17Senior Member
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My DD was on Movicol from when she started on solids- after a while her Paed Gastroenterologist changed her to Osmolax which is pretty much the same thing but doesn't have the salty taste. It's in a big tub with a scoop and works out heaps cheaper if you're using it long term. She's almost 4 and has been off the Osmolax for almost 6 months now. She was also a refluxy CMSPI baby.
05-10-2013 21:48 #18
Well today was day 2 of movicol and still nothing.
However she doesn't seem to be in pain
Maybe the movicole is softening this up and she is less hard in her bowels?
Tomorrow will be another 1 sachet day, if we get no movement I'm upping it to 2 sachets a day.
I've been giving her the movicole in the morning, so tomorrow I'll give it to her in the morning like we have been, then if nothing has happened by night time I'll give another dose before bed and start the 2 doses from there.
Dose that sound about right?
I'm glad she isn't in pain anymore.
Her lower tummy use to be very hard when she was in pain, I've been feeling her tummy today and it's soft.
I'm hoping that's a good sign!
Please please please let tomorrow be the day.
Can't wait until Wednesday where I can call this clinic
06-10-2013 06:22 #19
It is recommended to give the movicol at night, but fingers crossed to start to see some action soon.
She will be absolutely full of poo, so don't be surprised when she does start pooing there will be absolutely heaps of it. They tend to do a big empty out to begin with, my son actually used to do his in the bath (yuck) but the warm water seemed to help getting him to poo. When my son was in the clean out stage, the constipation nurse said to try to get him to drink as much fluid as possible to help it along.
Her bowel will probably be a bit stretched, so the periods between pooing might be a few days to begin with while it gets back into shape.
My constipation nurse gave me a flyer with pictures of poo on it, the consistency to aim for is a smooth sausage, any sloppier than that and I was to slightly reduce the dose, any drier than that, increase dosage slightly.
What I do is mix one sachet into 100ml of water, and then I can vary the dosage quite accurately.
After my boy had done his big cleanout, he was put onto 50ml at night, and he needed to poo at least every second day, of the right consistency. So I just fiddled slighty with the amounts to keep that happening.
When he was consistently pooing every 48 hours or less, for 3 months or so, then gradually the dosage was reduced, very slowly.
All the best, it is just awful when they cant/don't want to poo and you see it getting worse and worse.
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06-10-2013 06:26 #20
Oh the other thing I was told to do was to gently massage his tummy in the direction of digestion. ie looking down at your own tummy, start at the top from the right, go across to the left, down and around the bottom and back up again. That did seem to help, and keep doing it throughout the treatment a few times a week as it helps stimulate the bowel.
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